Incel Kermit tries to "well, actually" the Pope

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Re: Incel Kermit tries to "well, actually" the Pope

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Saying "there is nothing Christian about social justice" does not in itself suggest any negative opinion about social justice (and I never claimed it did).

It does, however clearly mean that he sees nothing Christian about social justice.
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Re: Incel Kermit tries to "well, actually" the Pope

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It all depends upon the definition of "Social Justice" - or rather, what people insist are the specific components. What is happening in this thread is that "Social Justice" is being defined as "social justice" - being jolly nice to folks - and what mean bastards Christians must be not to be nice.

It is bait and switch to the max. Christianity is not "about" Social Justice, though it does require its followers to be social beings engaged in personal work on behalf of the less fortunate. That is, in social justice.

The problem comes with what many people want to inject into the (unfettered) meaning of "Social Justice" according to themselves.

“Social justice may be broadly understood as the fair and compassionate distribution of the fruits of economic growth.”
- United Nations

But does that mean equality of opportunity or equality of outcomes? Does it mean "get rid of capitalism and let's all divvy up the dosh"? It does for some people - now why should I or anyone else lock-step agree with such politically drastic solutions? And what makes all the unbelievers think such disagreement is license to define Christianity, a faith that they don't even think should be allowed to exist? (Exit Social Justice, stage left)

“Social justice is the view that everyone deserves equal economic, political and social rights and opportunities. Social workers aim to open the doors of access and opportunity for everyone, particularly those in greatest need.”
National Association of Social Workers

There, I think most people of any faith or none find the words themselves acceptable enough. Opportunity should be available to all, generally speaking. But no one is obligated to agree with every other person's idea of what methods should be used to achieve equality of opportunity.

“Social justice encompasses economic justice. Social justice is the virtue which guides us in creating those organized human interactions we call institutions. In turn, social institutions, when justly organized, provide us with access to what is good for the person, both individually and in our associations with others. Social justice also imposes on each of us a personal responsibility to work with others to design and continually perfect our institutions as tools for personal and social development.”
Center for Economic and Social Justice

Ah, starts well but who is doing this "imposing on each of us" and what exactly is encompassed in this designing and continually perfecting?

The teachings of Jesus nowhere suggest organizing earthly equality of land distribution, economic achievement, earthly riches and opportunity. Neither does he enjoin the creation of organizations that impose obligations on other people to support any and all methods of "Social Justice" (capitalized) no matter how disagreeable.
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts

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