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I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 6:27 am
by Scooter
Maybe that only applies to Christians in other countries?
Religious leaders' request to give communion to detainees at Broadview facility is denied again

A group of religious leaders tried once again Saturday to provide Holy Communion to detainees in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement processing facility in Broadview and were turned away a second time, three weeks after a similar request was denied.

The Coalition for Spiritual and Public Leadership organized the Mass — which fell on All Saints Day, a Christian holiday to celebrate saints and a holy day of obligation for Catholics — with hopes to gain entry to the ICE facility to offer detainees communion. Organizers said they followed Department of Homeland Security protocol and formally requested access more than one week ahead of the Mass and emailed and hand-delivered a second letter on Thursday. The request was denied, according to a statement from the village of Broadview. No reason was given.

In a statement to the Sun-Times, a DHS spokesperson said any request to tour its facilities must be approved by DHS Secretary Kristi Noem and that requests “should be made with sufficient time to prevent interference” with the president’s authority to oversee executive department functions.

“A week is sufficient to ensure no intrusion on the president’s constitutional authority,” the DHS spokesperson said, not elaborating on why Saturday’s request was denied despite more than a week’s notice given. The spokesperson also noted increases in obstruction to immigration enforcement.

As the Catholic leaders conducted Mass outside the facility, federal immigration agents periodically drove past, at one point drawing some in the crowd to shout, “Shame!”

A small group of federal agents dressed in military uniforms stood chatting outside the boarded-up, brick facility as more than 1,000 people gathered in designated protest areas outside a nearby business for the Mass.

Two coach buses with tinted windows later left the detention center, but it wasn’t clear who it was carrying or where it was headed.

Michael Okińczyc-Cruz, the coalition’s executive director, said the group has made several attempts to speak with DHS and ICE officials but were turned down.

“We have tried to follow every channel possible that DHS and ICE publicly shares, but we’ve been denied time and time again,” Okińczyc-Cruz said. “We are here today to continue knocking on ICE’s doors, proclaiming that our sisters and brothers deserve their pastoral care and affirms their God-given dignity, and reminds us all that love is stronger than fear.”

Toward the end of the Mass, a few faith leaders, including Sister JoAnn Persch, walked toward the detention center to again request entry. They met with an Illinois State Police trooper, who called the facility to relay the request.

“The officer sincerely tried. The answer was no,” Persch told those gathered.

Joined by hundreds of people, the group previously attempted to provide communion to those inside the detention center on Oct. 11 and were denied. DHS eventually cited the need for a one-week notice.

Persch, 91, started visiting the ICE facility in Broadview with the late Sister Pat Murphy in 2006 to pray for the immigrants inside, their families and the ICE officers. Their visits inside the building later became a weekly practice, but their relationship with ICE frayed this year as President Donald Trump ramped up his deportation campaign in the Chicago area.

“It breaks my heart because we were allowed to go in … and pray and talk with them, work with the families. And now, they won’t even acknowledge us,” Persch told the Sun-Times.

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 2:29 pm
by Big RR
The administration only supports the "christians" who enthusiastically sing their praises; you know, the ones who ignroe the teachings of jesus.

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2025 6:28 am
by Scooter
Now they have banned all prayer both in and outside of concentration camp:
Feds Clarify Prayer Ban at Broadview: Restrictions Only Apply On Federal Property

BROADVIEW — A federal official on Saturday clarified that a directive that religious leaders and law enforcement interpreted as banning religious gatherings outside of Broadview’s immigration processing facility only applies to federal property.

An anonymous representative from the Broadview facility, 1930 Beach St., told a group of faith leaders and activists in a phone call Friday that “There is no more prayer in front of [the] building or inside the building because this is the state and it’s not [of a] religious background.”

Saturday, Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs for the Department of Homeland Security Tricia McGlaughlin clarified the restrictions in a statement to Block Club.

“For clarity, ICE only restricts access to federal property inside and outside the facility. Please contact the Broadview Police Department for access to property outside ICE’s jurisdiction,” McGlaughlin said.

The inclusion of the “federal property” qualifier changes the nature of the initial directive that seemed to ban prayer “in front of [the] building” without further clarification. It is unclear where in the chain of command the initial message originated.

There have been no religious ceremonies on federal property outside of the building since at least Sept. 23, when federal officials installed a temporary fence that restricted access to areas adjacent to the facility. The fence was later removed by court order. Since the ‘Unified Command’ of state and local forces began sequestering protesters on Oct. 3, civilian access to the federal processing facility has been limited.

Had the directive applied to property not owned by the federal government, it could’ve been in violation of the U.S. Constitution, said Alexa Van Brunt, a lawyer for the plaintiffs in the ongoing federal lawsuit alleging cruel conditions inside the Broadview facility and director of the MacArthur Justice Center Clinic at Northwestern.

“This raises potentially serious First Amendment concerns. The government does have the ability to institute restrictions in its federal facilities … so they can dictate who comes in and out,” she said.

“They didn’t have the authority to restrict religious services for the exercise of religious freedom on non-federal property,” she continued. “That would have been beyond the pale. So it sounds like they did, in fact, backtrack on that.”

Broadview Police Chief Thomas Mills said he was at first “dumbfounded” by what he understood to be the restrictions and wasn’t sure of what the federal government meant by “no more prayer.” He said in an emailed statement Saturday that religious practice could continue in free speech zones set up near the facility. The statement came hours after McLaughlin clarified that the restrictions applied only to federal property.

“The ICE representative said they would not allow religious prayer inside or outside the facility and would not grant permission for them to come onto the property,” Mills wrote. “Anyone can pray and demonstrate their faith as long as they do so within the designated protected protest zones.”

The Rev. Ciera Bates-Chamberlain was one of those on the phone call and said that even the clarified restrictions violate the Constitutional rights of both the faith leaders and detainees.

“This is a flagrant violation of religious freedom,” Bates-Chamberlain said. “DHS has previously said that people detained have the right to worship and access spiritual care — and yet, they are now backtracking and barring clergy from providing that care. Our immigrant neighbors deserve better, and faith leaders will not be silent in the face of this injustice.”

McLaughlin said, however, that pastoral care was restricted at the processing center because it “is a field office … not a detention facility. Illegal aliens are only briefly held there for processing before being transferred to a detention facility. Religious organizations are more than welcome to provide services to detainees in ICE detention facilities.”

But reports have contradicted the idea that the Broadview facility holds people “only briefly.” In an ongoing federal court case, U.S. District Judge Robert Gettleman uncovered testimony from detainees describing being crammed into cells for several days with little food or water and being left to sleep in plastic chairs or on cold floors next to overflowing toilets.

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:39 am
by BoSoxGal
I posted this in the other thread, but it bears repeating.


Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 12:19 am
by Burning Petard
Perhaps Mr. Trump would prefer to be the extra-territorial president. He wants to invade Nigeria to protect Christians, Invade Mexico because I don't know what, invade Venezuela because it is too easy to just blow up their boats And look at all the neat gifts he gets from all these appreciative other countries. Somehow he finds a 40 billion dollar 'credit' for Argentina but not money to feed Americans (and most of the SNAP users are in red states!
With all that going on he is too busy to talk to congress writers or Senators about actually doing government stuff here in the US of A.

And by the way, are the ICE agents now working without pay?

snailgate

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:30 am
by ex-khobar Andy
ICE and CBP are being paid.

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:00 pm
by Sue U
ex-khobar Andy wrote:
Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:30 am
ICE and CBP are being paid.
If they're so hot to meet their quota of deportations, why isn't ICE rousting Melania Knauss and her "chain-immigration" family for the lies she told on her EB-1 visa application? What exactly is the extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics that she demonstrated (EB-1A)? Or did she achieve international recognition as a professor or researcher in a specific academic field (EB-1B)? Or perhaps she was an executive or manager at a multinational company outside the U.S. for three years before her application and was being transferred to its New York office (EB -1C)? She got here in 1996 but didn't apply for her "genius visa" until 2000, granted in 2001; what was her status from 1996-2001?

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 6:29 pm
by BoSoxGal
Sue U wrote:
Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:00 pm
She got here in 1996 but didn't apply for her "genius visa" until 2000, granted in 2001; what was her status from 1996-2001?
She was working illegally, of course!

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 11:13 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Nicki Minaj spoke at the United Nations Headquarters today, calling out what she perceives as “extremism” against Christians in Nigeria. “I would like to thank President Trump for prioritizing this issue and for his leadership on the global stage in calling for urgent action to defend Christians in Nigeria,” she said, also asserting in her four-minute speech that, ”Today, faith is under attack in way too many places in Nigeria. Christians are being targeted, driven from their homes, and killed. Churches have been burned, families have been torn apart, and entire communities live in fear constantly simply because of how they pray.”
Rap Rap
Who's there?
UN
UN who?
UNI travel to the beat of a different Drumpf

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 2:50 am
by Sue U
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Tue Nov 18, 2025 11:13 pm

Rap Rap
Who's there?
UN
UN who?
UNI travel to the beat of a different Drumpf
:lol:

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 2:49 pm
by Big RR
BoSoxGal wrote:
Tue Nov 18, 2025 6:29 pm
Sue U wrote:
Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:00 pm
She got here in 1996 but didn't apply for her "genius visa" until 2000, granted in 2001; what was her status from 1996-2001?
She was working illegally, of course!
I don't know, but I imagine she may have arrived here while her H1B visa was pending; as i recall, you can enter after the application is filed but cannot work. While a 3-4 year pendency is unusual, it is not unprecedented. Alternatively, she may have also arrived on a J1 visa, which permits lecturing and other activities and can be used by institutitions and companies for visiting researchers and consultants), and then filed the H1A application while she was here. But I would welcome an investigation--unfortunately we will have to wait until Pumpkinhead is out of office.

Re: I thought this administration was all about protecting the religious freedoms of Christians

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 5:47 pm
by BoSoxGal
Big RR wrote:
Wed Nov 19, 2025 2:49 pm
BoSoxGal wrote:
Tue Nov 18, 2025 6:29 pm
Sue U wrote:
Tue Nov 18, 2025 5:00 pm
She got here in 1996 but didn't apply for her "genius visa" until 2000, granted in 2001; what was her status from 1996-2001?
She was working illegally, of course!
I don't know, but I imagine she may have arrived here while her H1B visa was pending; as i recall, you can enter after the application is filed but cannot work. While a 3-4 year pendency is unusual, it is not unprecedented. Alternatively, she may have also arrived on a J1 visa, which permits lecturing and other activities and can be used by institutitions and companies for visiting researchers and consultants), and then filed the H1A application while she was here. But I would welcome an investigation--unfortunately we will have to wait until Pumpkinhead is out of office.
The investigation has already been done: https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/best ... work-visa/