In a land of faith and flag, Justin Griffith is challenging the US military to abandon its religious ties.
When he was a child growing up in Plano, Texas - a place he describes as the "oversized, goofy buckle on the Bible belt" - he would bring his bible to science class and debate his teachers on the finer points of evolution.
"In my head, I won every time," says Mr Griffith, now 29.
But somewhere along the way, his penchant for picking ideological fights with the non-religious got him in trouble. He found it harder and harder to argue with the points they were making. At 13, he suffered a crisis of faith.
"It was so painful. I lost my religion before I lost my first girlfriend. Nothing that big had ever happened to me, and I didn't have any coping skills," he says.
Mr Griffith found peace with his atheism, but he is not done sparring with the opposite team.
As an active-duty sergeant in the US Army, he's leading the charge to get atheists more respect in the armed forces. In the process he is earning attention, both positive and negative, from around the world.
Mr Griffith's most ambitious project is Rock Beyond Belief, a day-long event on the military base Fort Bragg, North Carolina, complete with children's activities, rock concerts and a lecture by atheism's most visible proponent, author and scientist Richard Dawkins.
It is an ambitious plan in an organisation still respectful of religious traditions and in a town that holds Christian values dear.
Scheduled for 31 March, Rock Beyond Belief comes two years after another controversial concert at Fort Bragg, "Rock The Fort".
Sponsored by the Billy Graham Evangelical Association, Rock the Fort was billed as an "evangelical event" with Christian bands, family activities, and an emphasis on spreading the gospel to the entire community.
Despite attracting criticism for hosting the event, the top brass at Fort Bragg said they would be willing do the same for an event thrown by a different religious group.
"So the next day, I raised my hand and said, 'Fort Bragg, I've got an event'," says Mr Griffith.
The concert was originally scheduled for 2011, but was postponed until his group could secure the same location as Rock The Fort: an outdoor field capable of hosting thousands of people, in view of the Main Post Chapel.
Though the Rock Beyond Belief concert is the most public of Mr Griffith' s efforts to make the military more accepting of atheists, it is not his only one.
"We have a lot of work to do," he says.
Military culture is full of religious ideology and symbolism, says Griffith. For instance, he cites the traditional flag-folding ceremony, which cites faith in God in multiple instances.
"These things have been here for years. It's tradition," he says. "How do we go about getting them out?"
Prior to planning the concert, he registered his complaints against the army's spiritual fitness test, a campaign that he continues.
That test, implemented last year as part of a wider resiliency and suicide-prevention program, rates servicemembers on the strength of their spiritual life.
He's also working to ensure that servicemembers can have "atheist" listed on their official military records.
"It took me a year and a half to get my records changed to atheist. When I told them I was atheist, they put 'no religious preference'," he says. "I told them that's unacceptable. I do have a preference, and that's atheism."
These records are important, he says, because of the end-of-life services provided to soldiers who may have been wounded in war.
"I want them to know that I am an atheist: do not pray; do not do last rites; do not do any goofy ceremonies for me," he says.
Bigger microphone
Mr Griffith counts about 100 members in Fort Bragg's atheist community, which meets weekly off-base, since it is not yet recognised as a distinctive faith group by the military.
He also works with other atheist groups on military bases across the country.
Through his efforts, Mr Griffith has become a figurehead within the atheist movement. His blog gets around 100,000 hits a month and he says he puts in about 40 hours a week of activism on top of his military duties. In July, he was appointed the military director of American Atheists.
"I definitely have a bigger microphone now," he says.
But with that bigger voice comes bigger criticism. Because atheists so often fight to keep religion out of public property or government activities, they are perceived as being anti-Christian.
When Fox News reported on Rock Beyond Belief, it focused on a music video by Aiden, one of the bands performing at the concert. That video featured images burning churches and references to burning synagogues and holy books.
Mr Griffith says the band was referring to sectarian violence in the name of religion, not an appeal for atheists to incite violence.
Still, the article resulted in an influx of hate mail and death threats.
Though the general public is not always receptive to atheism, the military itself offers a promise of acceptance.
Aside from recognised Christian, Jewish and Muslim groups, Fort Bragg has resources for other faiths, including Buddhists and Wiccans, a Pagan religion.
"The army really is a microcosm of the entirety of our nation," says Benjamin Abel, a spokesman for Fort Bragg. "We serve the people, and we have an incredibly diverse population of people in the United States."
He notes that there are steps religious groups can go through to gain more visibility on base.
The fight by atheists, he says, reminds him of the struggle the base's Wiccan members endured years ago.
"Through history, the military has generally been out in front of a lot of social issues. We integrated the military first, we just had the recent change of 'don't ask don't tell', [and] women have been integrated in the military for a long time.
"We're not out there as a force for social change, but we certainly don't shy from it," says Mr Abel.
While Mr Griffith does not believe in God, he does believe in the military.
A few months ago he re-enlisted for another five-year tour of duty, and plans to make his career in the service.
"I never would have gotten anywhere without the army. It taught me to be a man," he says.
"The army is so good, it deserves these little corrections - and I do consider them little, in the scale of how great the army is."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16859421
Fighting for the soul of the army..
Fighting for the soul of the army..
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
There are no athiests in foxholes. 

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
Of course that's simply not true. Atheists face certain death or the risk of death all the time without falling victim to goofy fairy tales as a source of false comfort.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
~ Carl Sagan
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
I swear to God I'm an atheist!! 

Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
What an obnoxious, in-your-face twit...no fanatic like a convert, I guess...
I'm surprised he's not trying to have the base chapel shut down...
Personally I hope his concert's a bust and he loses his shirt promoting it...
That's certainly what will happen if it's only attended by atheists in the military stationed at Ft. Bragg....
I'm surprised he's not trying to have the base chapel shut down...
Personally I hope his concert's a bust and he loses his shirt promoting it...
That's certainly what will happen if it's only attended by atheists in the military stationed at Ft. Bragg....
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Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
Some of what he says is right, though. The military should not be conducting "spiritual fitness tests" on personnel, nor should they be sponsoring sectarian religious events on base.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
LInks?bigskygal wrote:Of course that's simply not true. Atheists face certain death or the risk of death all the time without falling victim to goofy fairy tales as a source of false comfort.
Again, the false claims of discrimination;
Griffith said he doesn't know of any soldiers being denied promotions because of their atheism, and he and other MASH members at Fort Bragg said they have no horror stories about outright discrimination, that the reaction from their comrades has amounted to little more than raised eyebrows and lots of questions.
Chaplins attend to all, not just Christains, that's a myth.
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
How can you possibly say he is making false claims of discrimination when you quote him saying that he hasn't witnessed any discrimination ?
And please quote the actual words where anyone has said that chaplains were just for Christians.
And please quote the actual words where anyone has said that chaplains were just for Christians.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
So, why does he describe atheism as a fight, if no one is opposing it?
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
Well first, he is not quoted anywhere describing it as a "fight". Perhaps it is implied by the fact that he is getting "hate mail and death threats" that others see it as such.
Guess you couldn't find any quotes by anyone claiming chaplains were for Christians only. Thanks for trying.
Guess you couldn't find any quotes by anyone claiming chaplains were for Christians only. Thanks for trying.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
It's a common misconception that the US military is purely conservative Christian; same as religion is purely 'false tales of comfort'.
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So no quotes, then.
Again, thanks for trying.
Again, thanks for trying.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
No I can't prove a negative, pls provide your evidence/quote, that it is a purely Christian organization ...if that's your point ...if you have one.
BTW - Do you have evidence yet, that Stephen King surfed? Juss curious.
BTW - Do you have evidence yet, that Stephen King surfed? Juss curious.
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
Your assertion was not stated in the negative. You said that it has been claimed that chaplains serve only Christians. All it would take to prove your assertion would be to provide a quote from someone who has stated this. That is nothing like being asked to prove a negative.loCAtek wrote:No I can't prove a negative
When I start providing evidence of assertions that you attempt to put in my mouth, you will be the first to know. Why don't you hold your breath waiting for it to happen?pls provide your evidence/quote, that it is a purely Christian organization
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
Don't you get sick of walking around in wet trousers Scoot?
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
I have an affection for shooting fish in barrels, what can I say?
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
and pissing into the wind? 

“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
Hey, how did you get your hands on the videos?
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
LOL!! 

“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: Fighting for the soul of the army..
Even atheists?loCAtek wrote: Chaplins attend to all, not just Christains, that's a myth.
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?