Should have claimed it was the holy ghost.

[Gob]

A former teacher who launched a lawsuit against the Catholic school that fired her after she became pregnant by artificial insemination has been given the go ahead to take the case to trial.

Christa Dias, 32, was fired by the Archdiocese of Cincinnati in 2010 after she told them she was five-and-a-half-months pregnant and needed maternity leave.



They at first tried to fire her simply for being pregnant and single, but realized they would be violating federal and state anti-discrimination laws.


So instead they decided the single mother violated Roman Catholic Church doctrine by using artificial insemination - which is considered a 'gravely immoral act' by the Catholic church.

U.S. District Judge Arthur Spiegel said in his ruling last week that Dias was a non-Catholic computer teacher with no role in ministering or teaching Catholic doctrine.

An archdiocese spokesman says that parents who pay to send their children to Catholic school expect them to be taught in an environment reflecting Catholic moral teaching and that employee contracts specify they will abide by church teachings.

They claim she violated that contract and they had the right to fire her, citing a 'ministerial exception'.

'She has a right to her opinion, but she doesn’t have a right to violate her (employment) contract,' Archdiocese of Cincinnati spokesman Dan Andriacco said.

Miss Dias said of the judge's decision: 'I hope that it stops them from doing it again. I hope that people in my situation say this is not appropriate to do.'

The 32-year-old, who is not a Catholic but a practicing Christian, taught computers at both Holy Family and St Lawrence schools in East Price Hill.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1r14Qr7ij

[dgs49]

Every teacher and administrator - all the way down to the friendly janitor - is a "teacher" [edited to add] of Catholic doctrine in a Catholic school.

This is a contract issue. The reporter is irresponsible for not finding out what her contract says (if anything) about behaviour or "moral turpitude." Clearly, there is something in her contract about this sort of situation, either specifically or generally.

A single woman has every right to do what she did, but the obvious manifestation of her choices made for an open rebuke of Catholic teachings. She needs to go work someplace else.

In the past few days, a major corporate official here in Pittsburgh was fired-for-cause for having an open and notorious adulterous relationship with an employee (he got arrested several weeks ago in a physical confrontation with his paramour's husband). It is not unusual for someone to be fired for "embarrassing" their employer.

[rubato]

And THAT's how to cut people off of health insurance, take away their jobs, AND punish women and their bastard children at the same time! Drive the whores into a life of poverty and then blame them for being unemployed, that's the way.


The Catholic Church; punishing women for being female for 2,000 years.

yrs,
rubato

[dgs49]

I see today that this story is ALL OVER the news.

Whatever...

"Punishing women for being female"?

The mind reels.

Did this child sprout up in her uterus from a virus?

Was she unaware that she was teaching at a religious school - a school for which people pay dearly to have their children educated in a safe, moral, and structured environment? Was she unaware that the Catholic Church (and indeed every religion in the fucking world) frowns on bastardy and the behavior that generally brings it about? Did she not know that her behaviour was to be, at least arguably, beyond reproach? Surely, she would never have SMOKED in front of the children, now would she? She wouldn't have cursed or sworn in front of her students, eh? Would she have come into work with her boobs exposed, or in a halter top? Ridiculous. Because she knows that her role is MORE THAN JUST giving instruction in her subject matter. It is to be an example to her students.

And coming to work visibly pregnant and unmarried - absent some extraordinary explanation - is an open manifestation of conduct that is condemned by all of Judaism and Christian teaching, not just that of the Catholic church.

Sure wish I could get my hands on her employment contract.

I read in one story that she vows never to teach in a Catholic school again. Priceless.

[Crackpot]

Dave/Mort ladies and gentlemen! he'll be here all week.

[Sue U]

conduct that is condemned by all of Judaism and Christian teaching, not just that of the Catholic church.

Please leave the Jews out of your fantasy. We do not condemn single motherhood or artificial insemination/in vitro fertilization. In fact, the early childhood education director at the local Conservative day school was a lesbian and the mother of two children conceived through sperm donation. (She recently moved to another Jewish school across the river.) Some of the clergy and religious school teachers at my own (Reform) congregation are gay and parents. You should not imagine that every religious group has the hang ups that yours does.

[Crackpot]

Heey I'm sure most of the christian world (including many catholics) would like to dissassociate themselves from Daves fantacies I don't think it's fair to single out the Jews for sole abstention from them.

[dales]

As a Protestant, let me also say that what dgs states does not include me and perhaps over 1 billion of Jesus the Christ's followers.

Of course, I can only state my own beliefs.

[Sean]

So if I've got this straight, the only religion which has a problem here is the one which has an unmarried mother as its central female figure...

[Daisy]

[MajGenl.Meade]

So if I've got this straight, the only church that has a problem here is the one which has an unmarried mother as its central female figure...

Fixed that for you

[MajGenl.Meade]

"The 32-year-old, who is not a Catholic but a practicing Christian"

Needs more practice evidently.....

When one of you has a grievance against a brother, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?  Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?  Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!  If then you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who are least esteemed by the church?  I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no man among you wise enough to decide between members of the brotherhood, but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? To have lawsuits at all with one another is defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded
The Revised Standard Version(1 Co 6:1-7)

[Gob]

Are you trying to bankrupt America Meade? The main industry there is suing each other, if all Christians refused to indulge they whole system of money transfer would fall apart!

[Sean]

So if I've got this straight, the only church that has a problem here is the one which has an unmarried mother as its central female figure...

Fixed that for you

Thanks Meade. I was originally going to put 'denomination' but it just didn't seem right.

[Gob]

A married Catholic school teacher is suing the diocese she works for, claiming they fired her for undergoing IVF treatments, calling her a 'grave immoral sinner'.

Emily Herx, 32, who worked for the St Vincent de Paul School in Indiana, said a senior official at the school fired her when she told him about her attempts to get pregnant through IVF. She and her husband Brian turned to the treatment when she found out she was infertile.

Mrs Herx taught literature and language arts at the school from 2003 until 2011.



She was well regarded and received high marks when assessed, according to the federal lawsuit filed in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

According to ABC, Mrs Herx learned in 2010 that she suffers from a diagnosed medical condition which causes infertility.

When she told the principal at the time that she needed time off to receive the IVF treatments, he allegedly told her: 'You are in my prayers', and granted her the time off.

But in May last year, when she was going for her second round of fertility treatments and again asked for time off, she was told to report to Msgr John Kuzmich, the pastor of the St Vincent de Paul Catholic Church.

According to court documents, it was at that meeting, which Mrs Herx attended with her husband and father, that Msgr Kuzmich called her a 'grave, immoral sinner' and added that if news of her IVF treatments got out it would cause a 'scandal' for the church.

The Catholic church disapproves of fertility treatments because additional embryos that are created to increase the chances of success are then destroyed, which is a violation of Catholic doctrine regarding the sanctity of embryonic life.

Mrs Herx then appealed again to Bishop Kevin Rhodes and assured him that no embryos were destroyed during her treatment.

According to the civil complaint, he said to her: 'The process of in vitro fertilization very frequently involves the deliberate destruction or freezing of human embryos.

'In vitro fertilization...is an intrinsic evil, which means that no circumstances can justify it.'

It is not known whether or not Mrs Herx has been able to conceive through her second batch of IVF.

Emily's lawyer Kathleen DeLaney told ABC that her client was 'terminated only for trying to enlarge her family with husband' and that she was traumatized from the incident.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1t5xJ3OLq

[Scooter]

So what makes IVF evil is that embryos are destroyed, but even if no embryos are destroyed, it is still evil.

Makes about as much sense as the rest of Catholic theology.

[Grim Reaper]

You'd think the church would want more babies to be born so they could be raised to be good little Christians.

[Crackpot]

should I point out that you've confused Christians with Catholics again?

[Scooter]

In this case, he is correct, the RCC would want all babies to be good little Christians. All Catholics are Christians, even if not all Christians are Catholic.

[Crackpot]

But not all Christians are for irresponsible breeding and wouldn't be considered "good" by Catholics for taking that stance. In other words even though it's correct quantitatively it's not correct qualitatively.