New faith school will not teach gay 'nonsense'

[Gob]

DEFENDERS of Cornwall's new faith secondary school have hit back at critics' "orchestrated attack to undermine" it.

Supporters and representatives argued there was a need for St Michael's Catholic free school as a place to teach moral values.

Wallace Simmons, the grandfather of a former student, called a meeting with governor Joyce Sanderson, Father Chris Findlay, priest at the church associated with the school at Camborne, and the West Briton in response to criticism over its funding from the Government as it prepares to open next week.

Formerly St Michael's Catholic Small School in Truro, it is now the UK's first Catholic free secondary, funded directly from the Government, rather than through the local education authority.

The school was dubbed an "ideological gimmick" by the National Union of Teachers (NUT) and local politicians and a head teacher criticised the £4.5 million being spent to extend it, despite 600 available places at secondaries in the Camborne, Pool and Redruth area.

This week Mr Wallace called the criticism an "orchestrated attack to undermine the school".

"The whole population is taught that homosexuality is fine and children should accept they can have two mums or dads but they should not be taught that nonsense. It is not right," Mr Simmons said.

"Schools are not teaching basic family values and that mum and dad are the heads of the family and that's how it should be.

"There are so many problems in schools today where basic family values are not taught and it is OK for Jack to marry Jack and not Jill.

"The morals of this country should not be dragged down."

Mrs Sanderson was quick to reassure that the school would not discriminate over sexuality, but said those students from homosexual backgrounds were expected to respect Catholic values on family life.

"Gays would be welcome to this school," she said, "but we would not encourage it.

"We want to know they (children) are happy to follow our teaching and that's crucial. We do not wish to make children unhappy and refer to their home circumstances.

"I think those people who declare their views are entitled to express them as much as I am entitled to do so.

"The school follows the teaching of Catholic values and treatment (of children) is charitable.

"We lay down what you should try to follow but how people follow it is their business."

The school also assured it had a good track record and something positive to offer to the community.

Father Findlay said Catholic education was not a gimmick but a "strong brand" and "something many people value".

He added: "We have our own ethos and approach to school. We have a clear understanding about the human person and how a person fits into the society including everything from marriage, work- place, family life, self-discipline and clarity of moral values."

[The Hen]

Oh ferfucksake.

Now if that isn't a perfect example of what centuries of inbreeding does to you, I don't know what is.

[rubato]

New faith school will not teach gay 'nonsense'"

Only grim and mournful nonsense for them.

"Father Findlay said Catholic education was not a gimmick but a "strong brand" and "something many people value".

And keeping time with the cat-o-nine since AD 400!

"...
How Would the Pope Self-Flagellate?
Mortification and the Catholic Church.

By Christopher Beam|Posted Tuesday, Jan. 26, 2010, at 8:32 PM ET
Pope John Paul II.

A new book about Pope John Paul II alleges that the pope engaged in self-flagellation in order to feel closer to God. Does Catholicism teach a proper way to whip yourself?

No. The Catholic Church does not officially sanction self-flagellation. But some Popes have spoken favorably of it, and passages of the New Testament have been interpreted as approving of the practice. "hall not we be moved by God's grace to impose on ourselves some voluntary sufferings and deprivations?" wrote Pope John XXIII in a 1962 encyclical. Some of the earliest references to mortification, as the practice is sometimes called, are in the letters of the apostle Paul, who wrote in the book of Romans, "If ye live after the flesh, ye shall die; but if ye live through the Spirit to mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." And in Colossians, he wrote: "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature." Devout Catholics have practiced mild self-flagellation for centuries, often with a simple belt but sometimes using the cattailed whip known as a "discipline." Some still do. But the practice has become rare since the Vatican II reforms in the 1960s, and it's rarely discussed in public. (In The Da Vinci Code, members of the Catholic sect Opus Dei are portrayed engaging in self-flagellation.)

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And see how I didn't make the obvious joke about "a strong brand with world-wide market penetration"? Because it would have been cheap. That's why.


yrs,
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[Scooter]

Another example of why public funding for sectarian education is a bad idea.

[rubato]

Hear hear

One of the things we've done right, but still have to defend.


yrs,
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[Big RR]

Agreed.

[Lord Jim]

Gee whiz, I agree too...

He who pays the piper calls the tune; when government pays for church schools, it's perfectly understandable that government will expect to have a role in defining what social philosophies can and cannot be taught, just as it does in public schools...without regard to whether it conflicts with church doctrine....

That sort of relationship is bad for the government, bad for the churches, and bad for society as a whole....

I guess it's group hug time....

Okay everybody, a one and a two:

[dales]

Thread digression alert:

WTH is an H minor chord?

[dgs49]

Public funding aside for a moment, I wonder if anyone would care to name the religions that sponsor schools and also believe that homosexual BEHAVIOR is normal and acceptable. Or the ones who consent to "marry" gay couples, with the understanding that they will not be celibate.

I will spot you the Episcopal Church USA (even though I'm not sure they would go that far). Name another one.

Now as for public funding, one might ask whether, in the absence of such a religious school, the public school system would be compelled to educate those students? If so, then there is a measurable public benefit from the education provided, which justifies the expenditure of public funds.

And of course, I object to funding an education that teaches principles that I find repugnant, and so does everybody else. Which makes that particular point rather moot, as long as "hate" is not taught.

[Scooter]

I wonder if anyone would care to name the religions that sponsor schools and also believe that homosexual BEHAVIOR is normal and acceptable. Or the ones who consent to "marry" gay couples, with the understanding that they will not be celibate.

The Reform and Conservative branches of Judaism, who comprise 80% of observant Jews in the U.S.

Now as for public funding, one might ask whether, in the absence of such a religious school, the public school system would be compelled to educate those students? If so, then there is a measurable public benefit from the education provided, which justifies the expenditure of public funds.

A "benefit" that comes with the cost of getting government emmeshed in the sectarian religious indoctrination of students. For someone who is always carping about what he claims are unconstitutional uses of government funds, direct subsidies of religious institutions of learning should rank in there somewhere.

[Big RR]

Or the ones who consent to "marry" gay couples, with the understanding that they will not be celibate.

The United Church of Christ (at least in states that allow gays to marry, otherwise, performing commitment ceremonies). I'm sure there are many others.

edited to add: Also the Metropolitan Communitychurch (MCC) and (I think) many episcopal congregations.

[Scooter]

He said that have established schools. I don't know whether the UCC has or not; MCC has not in the U.S., although they have done so in other countries.

[Big RR]

I took the disjunctive "or" as meaning one or the other. To the extent he meant "and" I took a quick look and found evidence some UCC congregations sponsor elementary schools through their churches--since the UCC is a congregational based organization it is not surprising that the schools would be managed by individual congregation--can't find anything re the MCC.

[Sean]

Thread digression alert:

WTH is an H minor chord?

H is the Holy Chord Dales. If you don't know about it then I'm afraid you're not one of the saved...

[rubato]

Thread digression alert:

WTH is an H minor chord?

H is the Holy Chord Dales. If you don't know about it then I'm afraid you're not one of the saved...

You learn about it with the secret "I'm going to heaven and you're going to hell you unwashed heathen bastard" handshake and the "god's true will revealed" secret decoder ring which allows you to determine which stocks to short over the next 60 days.

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[dales]

LOL

(prolly A-flat minor)

[rubato]

You're seriously going to hell. You know that. Right?

Total spiritual loser. God hates you and wants you to know it because you're poor. Right?

Your love-god Romney is rich and god loves him just a whole hell of a lot. So fuck you.

yrs,
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[Sean]

LOL

(prolly A-flat minor)

No, that's what you get after a cave-in!

[The Hen]

Hi-Hooooooo!

[Grim Reaper]

"Schools are not teaching basic family values and that mum and dad are the heads of the family and that's how it should be.

Jesus had two dads and he turned out great.