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The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:11 pm
by dgs49
We had a bishop from India as a visiting celebrant in our parish church yesterday.
Not much fun for Catholics in rural, poverty-stricken India these days. In short, they are providing permanent and short term life support (food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and education) to a couple thousand orphans under age 12, and running trade schools for a couple thousand kids from ages 12-16, none of which require that you be Catholic to benefit. He was also seeking sponsors for Indian men seeking to go to the seminary and become priests, at $500/yr for four years.
As we left the church, there was a hoagie (big sandwich) sale to benefit an orphanage and school in Mexico, founded by a local priest (Fr. Scott Seethaler).
But of course, none of this means anything, right? Better to let the kids starve and remain homeless, because those schools might infect the kids with ideas like sex and procreation are reserved for Christian marriage. And buggery is sinful.
Pity.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:26 pm
by Crackpot
Tell that to the priests
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:51 pm
by dales
The RC Church needs a better press agent.
Of course this act of charity will go largely unnoticed due to the fact that there is no sexual content.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:20 pm
by Crackpot
dales wrote:The RC Church needs a better press agent.
Yeah
Dave makes it come off as bitter and unfocused. Not a good investment by any standard.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:08 pm
by Sue U
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:20 pm
by Big RR
But of course, none of this means anything, right? Better to let the kids starve and remain homeless, because those schools might infect the kids with ideas like sex and procreation are reserved for Christian marriage. And buggery is sinful.
So that's how you sum up christian, or even catholic teachings? When Jesus was invited to do this, he said that one should love god and love one's neighbor; no condmenation, no reference to marriage (chrisitan or otherwise), yet you only discuss condmenation of sex outside of "chrsitian" marriage (whatever that is), and that buggery is a sin. Jesus preaches love, you preach condemnation.
Pity.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:40 pm
by dales
◄ 1 Corinthians 6:9 ►
New International Version (©2011)
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
New Living Translation (©2007)
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
English Standard Version (©2001)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or anyone practicing homosexuality,
International Standard Version (©2012)
You know that wicked people will not inherit the kingdom of God, don't you? Stop deceiving yourselves! Sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,
NET Bible (©2006)
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals,
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Or do you not know that evil men do not inherit The Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; no fornicators, neither worshipers of idols, neither adulterers, neither sexual molesters, neither males lying down with males,
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Don't you know that wicked people won't inherit the kingdom of God? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals,
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
American King James Version
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
American Standard Version
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
Douay-Rheims Bible
Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
Darby Bible Translation
Do ye not know that unrighteous persons shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who make women of themselves, nor who abuse themselves with men,
English Revised Version
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
Webster's Bible Translation
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Weymouth New Testament
Do you not know that unrighteous men will not inherit God's Kingdom? Cherish no delusion here. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor any who are guilty of unnatural crime,
World English Bible
Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,
Young's Literal Translation
have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:48 pm
by Big RR
You can quote what paul (supposedly) wrote; I prefer to look at what jesus (supposedly) said.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:32 pm
by dales
Good source, but Paul and Jesus got their info from the same source.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:45 pm
by Gob
Dales list of "interpretations" of "gods word" only highlight the fact that the bible was not the product of a divine infallible being.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:10 pm
by dales
2 Timothy 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:15 pm
by Sean
dgs49 wrote:We had a bishop from India as a visiting celebrant in our parish church yesterday.
Not much fun for Catholics in rural, poverty-stricken India these days. In short, they are providing permanent and short term life support (food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and education) to a couple thousand orphans under age 12, and running trade schools for a couple thousand kids from ages 12-16, none of which require that you be Catholic to benefit. He was also seeking sponsors for Indian men seeking to go to the seminary and become priests, at $500/yr for four years.
As we left the church, there was a hoagie (big sandwich) sale to benefit an orphanage and school in Mexico, founded by a local priest (Fr. Scott Seethaler).
But of course, none of this means anything, right? Better to let the kids starve and remain homeless, because those schools might infect the kids with ideas like sex and procreation are reserved for Christian marriage. And buggery is sinful.
Pity.
So what are you saying Dave? Are you saying that these people do these good deeds because they are Catholic and not simply because they are good people?
Personally I have a lot more time for non-believers who are good people because
they think it's the right way to be than people who are good people because God 'told' them it's the right way to be.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:37 pm
by Andrew D
dales wrote:Good source, but Paul and Jesus got their info from the same source.
Nope.
Jesus did not get his info from any source.
Jesus was (and is) the Word of God: "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us ...."
Jesus was (and is) the Word of God who became flesh and lived among us. Paul was not.
As the living embodiment of the Word of God -- as the living embodiment of God -- Jesus could not have needed any source for any of his utterances.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:32 am
by dales
Indeed, I was simplifying it for Gob.
Jesus is GOD always has been and always will be.
Interesting that some will embrace Jesus' sayings, yet reject parts of Scripture.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:46 am
by Scooter
Perhaps they don't buy the notion that all of Scripture is equally inspired. The process by which the biblical canon was established was as much political as anything else.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:14 am
by Lord Jim
Speaking of The Roman Catholic Church, I have a rave for a PBS series on the subject:
Catholicism
It's a 10 part series on the subject that was produced in 2011, but I missed it when it was first released...
We've caught a couple of episodes on one of our local PBS stations the past few weeks...
It's hosted by a Roman Catholic Priest, Fr. Robert Barron, who's not at all "fire and brimstone"....
In the segments we've watched, the show goes into issues like The Trinity and The Divinity Of Mary, and discusses them in a very intelligent and accessible way...
I'm going to see if I can't get the whole set...
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:58 am
by dales
I wish I had TV just for shows like this.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:05 pm
by dgs49
My allusion was to the fact that in the eyes of the MSM and contemporary American liberalism, the RC Church is fatally flawed (theologically) because it condemns same-sex "marriage," homosexual sodomy, and artificial birth control. Not to mention abortion.
Thus for most progressives in our midst, nothing the Church might do in a charitable vein can compensate for these fatal flaws.
Of course, for people like Andrew, the Church will never live down how it treated the "Native Americans" in what is now California. They don't need to focus on its more contemporary failings.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:13 pm
by Big RR
Compensate? In what way? the "victims" (or use your own word) of the condemnations and the beneficiaries of the charitable acts are quite different; how can one compensate for the other. Many organized crime figures donate toys to children at christmas, donate to food kitchens, etc.; but if a family member was harmed by them, I wouldn't say the charitable acts somehow compensated for what happened to my family member.
The RC church (as any religious institution) remains free to preach what they choose; but doing some good does not give them a pass on the damage they do by their positions, or the consequences of them.
Re: The Evil RC Church
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:46 am
by rubato
Creating a million people in poverty and then helping a handful of them is hardly a good thing.
Yrs,
Rubato