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The Hallmark Channel has started its Countdown to Christmas movies. It's too fucking early!!!
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Yep
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Obviously Trump supporters.  They must think the zombies are the Wise Men.
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The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
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According to this site (which contains a slightly longer version of the quote, plus some discussion of it) the original author is Glenn Danzig.
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What the hector?
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The problem with the Shopping Cart test is the assumption that return of the cart is easy and convenient. The parking lot in my Costco is bigger than most car rental lots, and all of the return areas are near the store, which can be a good quarter of a mile away from your car unless you score a space near the store; add to that the fact that the lots are crowded with people searching for spaces and cars backing out without looking, and it can be seen that this half mile roundtrip is neither easy nor convenient. Add to that the fact that the return areas are usually full and rarely empty, and the difficulty and inconvenience of the return is multiplied.

As for consequences, the real consequence of not returning the carts is that the store will have to employ people to go through the parking lot and pick up the carts, and that this is one of the few jobs that is fairly unskilled and can even be done by the mentally challenged (who are losing most of the jobs they can perform). The immediate consequence is that they have to employ a person to retrieve the carts and charge a bit more to cover that/those person's (or persons') wages, but this is countered by making jobs available to those who would otherwise not be employed.

So it's not really a fair comparison to, say, not portaging your trash out of the woods (as it would be nearly impossible to employ people to patrol the woods and pick up trash other than for small areas) or not bringing reusable bags to the grocery store.

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Big RR wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:56 pm
The problem with the Shopping Cart test is the assumption that return of the cart is easy and convenient.
In the vast majority of stores, that is the case. I find the shopping cart litmus test to be a valid insight into use/misuse of what economists call the problem of the commons. I read the article that @w posted from since it was on the Firefox feed a few days ago. They used local stores where returning the cart is in fact convenient, so to the extent their comparison is reasonable, their conclusions are as well.

Of course, people being people, a single person can be inconsistent about their approach to various commons-like behaviors -- they might not return a shopping cart, but will leave their camp site cleaner than they found it, and see a neighbor's car lights on and knock at the door to let them know. The point of the study, though, was to show that if it becomes more normal to not "do your part" for activity A, then activities B, C and D are less likely to be taken care of as well.

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There were also questions of how bad a person's shopping cart etiquette is. On the one hand, there is the thoughtless person who leaves the cart in the middle of a parking space, effectively blocking that space. There is the person who at least gets the cart off to the side so it doesn't block cars. The one who does a half-assed job of bringing it to a carrel and then putting it in crooked so it won't stack. Or the person who puts it neatly back into the stack. I think we've all seen examples of each of these, probably every time at the store.

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Walk the damn cart back. It’s just not that difficult.
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The only time I don’t return the cart is when someone walking in takes it from me - but that’s no longer common in pandemic times.

eta: Sometimes I leave my cart at the top of a disabled parking spot if there isn’t one there; most stores instruct the cart herders to leave carts at the top of handicapped spaces (between the signs, so entirely out of the way of parking) because a great many disabled folks like to use the cart for support walking into the store. I haven’t done this in pandemic times because I can’t wipe down the handlebar.
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I wonder what the test says about those that zip-tie the loose carts to the door handles of cars parked across multiple spaces...
Well, at least he gets 24 hours notice. That's more than most of us get. All most of us get is, "Mind that bus!" "What bus?" _splat_

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Along these lines, I recall a store I worked in during high school that had a machine that dispensed shopping bags for a dime (a long time ago); however, it was common knowledge that if you pulled the bags a certain way you could get a bag for free. The manger said between a third and half of the bags were pilfered this way. The store tried another to distribute the bags leaving them on an open rack with a little cash box next to it saying the bags we a dime and having some sort of statement that they were relying on your conscience to get the payment as the bags cost the store money... Apparently the loss rate (people not paying for the bags) dropped to less than 5% and stayed there.

I kind of took it as people will be willing to take advantage of another person or business if they had to do something earn the reward (like trick the machine) but not if only their honesty (in their own mind) was at stake. Likewise, I'd bet that many who would never shoplift would take advantage of mispriced items (admittedly, difficult to do now with UPC codes).

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Datsun, glad to see you here. Seems like it has been too long. I have never seen the zips ties.doorhandle.cart connection, but I love it at least as a fantasy. Part of the problem is that some of us Old geezers use the cart as a walker. If I bring the cart back to the sidewalk at the store, I have a walk to the car unsupported. I suppose the proper answer involves my choice to not get a handicapped parking sticker, or why do I have a walking stick in the car if I never use it? My Costo store is less than 5 miles from my dwelling and part of probably the busiest and largest shopping center in Delaware. Delaware has no sales tax, and the shopping center is right off I-95; in light traffic only 15 minutes from New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland. For obvious reasons I make an annual vow to never go near the place between Black Friday and Return day in January.

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You can get a pass on returning SG. Or you can try what my Mom did - use the cart as a walker, then when time to return, put her cane in the cart, return, and use the cane to get back to the car.

Understand that’s easier said than done, of course, and if you feel unsafe, then please don’t return the cart.
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I usually park as close as I can get to a cart corral. Prefer to be right up next to it. That offers pretty good assurance that my car, at least on one side, is not gonna get parking lot dings. The local Costco has those corrals in the middle of every parking block. Not close to the door? My physicians both nag me to get out and walk more. Have you noticed the careful engineering that goes into those carts now? Slick design means not all of the cart wheels are touching the ground when they are all nested together. That makes it easier to steer a big line of carts. 'Course the cost is that those fewer wheels are supporting a bigger individual load. And I never have a cane. That is for old people. I use a walking stick.

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