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Exactly. In the end, it will turn out that the Christians and the Jews and the Buddhists and the Hindus and ... are all part of a much larger fold than they had imagined.
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Keep on believing it...
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Exactly.


A few years ago the atheists complained that 'Religions were all different; therefore, they were all wrong.

Now they claim, 'They're all the same, but that sameness means they're all wrong.'


Different/same: pick a point of contention and stick to it, eh?

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loCAtek wrote:Exactly.


A few years ago the atheists complained that 'Religions were all different; therefore, they were all wrong.

Now they claim, 'They're all the same, but that sameness means they're all wrong.'


Different/same: pick a point of contention and stick to it, eh?
Really, I don't think we'll hold our breath while waiting for you to show where that happened..
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Worth asking for a laugh anyway...

Loca, can you cite sources for those claims?

Maybe they were jokes or hyperbole?
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keld feldspar wrote:Keep on believing it...
Well, what is your interpretation of Jesus's (reported) statement that he has (had?) many sheep which are not of this fold? Which sheep are those? And which fold(s) are they of?
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Since he was speaking to the Jews of that time.

I imagine he was referencing the Gentiles...
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Gob wrote:
loCAtek wrote:Exactly.


A few years ago the atheists complained that 'Religions were all different; therefore, they were all wrong.

Now they claim, 'They're all the same, but that sameness means they're all wrong.'


Different/same: pick a point of contention and stick to it, eh?
Really, I don't think we'll hold our breath while waiting for you to show where that happened..

I recall the debates on CSB but I'll have to wait for to come back up to search for it.

However, here's one atheist viewpoint:


Too Many Gods, Too Many Religions: All Can't Be True, But All Can Be False

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Given all this, is there any good, sound, rational, reasonable basis for singling just one interpretation of one set of traditions from one of these religions which should be treated as true while all the others are treated as false? No. It's not logically impossible that one interpretation of one tradition from one religion might really be true after all, but the great diversity of beliefs means that anyone who claims this will have to demonstrate that their chosen religion is unequivocally more likely to be true and is more credible than all the others. That won't be easy to do.
So the article you linked to doesn't in any way support your statement. Yet again.

Gosh, why am I not surprised. Why not try reading your links first, it would save you heaps of embarrassment.
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Diversity, mean different, which an atheist claims religions are.

Where does this author claim all religions are the same? ...as purported by the board atheists currently?

is there dissension in the a/non//theist/humanist ranks?

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loCAtek wrote:

Where does this author claim all religions are the same? ...as purported by the board atheists currently?

is there dissension in the a/non//theist/humanist ranks?
Quotes please, showing any of the "board atheists" claiming all religions are the same.
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Look to all the threads about Christianity being just based on mythology.

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Quotes please. I think you are misrepresenting what people have said.
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loCAtek wrote:Look to all the threads about Christianity being just based on mythology.
Not one.

Many suggest that Christian's ripped off already extant cultural traditions to sell their product.
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Gob wrote:
Given all this, is there any good, sound, rational, reasonable basis for singling just one interpretation of one set of traditions from one of these religions which should be treated as true while all the others are treated as false? No. It's not logically impossible that one interpretation of one tradition from one religion might really be true after all, but the great diversity of beliefs means that anyone who claims this will have to demonstrate that their chosen religion is unequivocally more likely to be true and is more credible than all the others. That won't be easy to do.
So the article you linked to doesn't in any way support your statement. Yet again.

Gosh, why am I not surprised. Why not try reading your links first, it would save you heaps of embarrassment.

What part of 'the great diversity of beliefs' didn't you understand? It means he believes they are all different.


...but OK, here's another one;


OTHER ARGUMENTS FOR ATHEISM - THE PROBLEM OF RELIGIOUS DIVERSITY
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Which part of "nobody here is arguing differently" don't you understand?
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Here;

Gob wrote:
loCAtek wrote:Exactly.


A few years ago the atheists complained that 'Religions were all different; therefore, they were all wrong.

Now they claim, 'They're all the same, but that sameness means they're all wrong.'


Different/same: pick a point of contention and stick to it, eh?
Really, I don't think we'll hold our breath while waiting for you to show where that happened..

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To remind you ....

Where has anyone argued they are the same. That is what we are waiting for you to prove.
The Hen wrote:
loCAtek wrote:

Where does this author claim all religions are the same? ...as purported by the board atheists currently?

is there dissension in the a/non//theist/humanist ranks?
Quotes please, showing any of the "board atheists" claiming all religions are the same.
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Please try and keep up with your own threads Lo.
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Added to the above post, sorry Hen didn't see you there ...oh, and like you siad we're not supposed to snipe but debate ;) .

One of the Four Horsemen says it too;
Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong.
- Christopher Hitchens (1982)
Here's the link I added;



OTHER ARGUMENTS FOR ATHEISM - THE PROBLEM OF RELIGIOUS DIVERSITY

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