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Stupid Cover-ups

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I just started two threads on two very different topics, that got me to thinking about something they have in common...

Idiotic bureaucratic ass covering to try to minimize a major fuck up, that any moron should have known would become public knowledge within days:
White House intruder got far past front door

WASHINGTON (AP) — The intruder who climbed a fence made it farther inside the White House than the Secret Service has publicly acknowledged, a Republican congressman said Monday. The disclosures came on the eve of a congressional oversight hearing with the director of the embattled agency assigned to protect the president’s life.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said Monday night that whistleblowers told his committee that the intruder ran through the White House, into the East Room and near the doors to the Green Room before being apprehended. They also told the committee that the intruder made it past a female guard stationed inside the White House, Chaffetz said.

In the hours after the Sept. 19 fence-jumper incident, Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan told The Associated Press that the suspect had been apprehended just inside the North Portico doors of the White House. The Secret Service also said that night that the suspect had been unarmed — an assertion that was revealed to be false the next day when officials acknowledged that Omar J. Gonzalez had a knife with him when he was apprehended.
http://koin.com/2014/09/29/white-house- ... ront-door/
Dallas Hospital Alters Account, Raising Questions on Ebola Case

DALLAS — Health officials’ handling of the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States continued to raise questions Friday, after the hospital that is treating the patient and that mistakenly sent him home when he first came to its emergency room acknowledged that both the nurses and the doctors in that initial visit had access to the fact that he had arrived from Liberia.

For reasons that remain unclear, nurses and doctors failed to act on that information, and released the patient under the erroneous belief that he had a low-grade fever from a viral infection, allowing him to put others at risk of contracting Ebola. Those exposed included several schoolchildren, and the exposure has the potential to spread a disease in Dallas that has already killed more than 3,000 people in Africa.

On Thursday, the hospital, Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, released a statement essentially blaming a flaw in its electronic health records system for its decision to send the patient — Thomas E. Duncan, a Liberian national visiting his girlfriend and relatives in the United States — home the first time he visited its emergency room, Sept. 25. It said there were separate “workflows” for doctors and nurses in the records so the doctors did not receive the information that he had come from Africa.

But on Friday evening, the hospital effectively retracted that portion of its statement, saying that “there was no flaw” in its electronic health records system. The hospital said “the patient’s travel history was documented and available to the full care team in the electronic health record (E.H.R.), including within the physician’s workflow.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/us/co ... .html?_r=0


I understand the ingrained, hard-wired impulse of bureaucrats to butt cover, but what possesses them to tell lies that are virtually certain to go off in their faces like exploding cigars within a matter of days? What benefit do they get from that?

Is it sheer arrogance? Do they honestly not understand that in situations like these, which have massive, intense media and political scrutiny focused on them, and where you also have a fairly large number of people who know the facts, it is virtually impossible to prevent the whole story from coming to light in a very short period of time? :roll:
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There is a deep ingrained culture in this country to ignore hide and obfusticate blatant errors inflicted on us by "the status quo". It is normal nowadays to hide a problem rather than deal with it and this tendency increases drastically the higher up the "chain" you go.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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I think Peg Noonan's column this week really nailed how the bureaucratic arrogance in dealing with their f-ups, whether it is these two mess-ups, or the IRS scandal or the healthcare exchange disaster start-up, etc. No one believes their lines, but just accept it is part of the game. Liberal or conservative, no one is buying the ebola bulla bulla from whoever is supposed to be in charge. It'd be nice to be able to trust the politician who comes out and says everything is under control (basically mouthing what the technocrats tell him, namely Obama and Perry), or the technocrats themselves at CDC or the hospital. But it would be foolish to take them at their word.

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Get mad.

Figure out who to blame.

Turn your brain off.


That's the way.


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Finally some insight to the mind of rubato.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Nice of him to let us in on his process...

I suspected it was probably something like that...
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Back to the OP:

that the intruder ran through the White House, into the East Room and near the doors to the Green Room before being apprehended

I was surprised there wasn't a guard posted at the door (every time I go into any government, and many private office, buildings a guard is there and I am often required to have my bag x-rayed and walked through a metal scanner--does the White House not do this?), but even more surprised that it wasn't locked. That makes no sense if there's no guard there, but perhaps I am missing something.

Saturday Night Live had a news skit where the secret service decided to invest in these new doors that automatically lock when they are closed :shock: ; would that locks like that existed. Maybe it's something the US equivalent of Q is working on?

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I don't know Big RR...

That kind of advanced technology is probably decades away...
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BigRR
I was surprised there wasn't a guard posted at the door
They also told the committee that the intruder made it past a female guard stationed inside the White House, Chaffetz said.
They don't make it clear here, but from what I heard in other accounts, this female guard was right inside the door and the guy just ran past her.

And as far as the OP, It's human nature. Many a time I was drinking and my wife would ask "have you been drinking?" my response was always, "NO!". Even after I came up positive on the breatholizer, I would still say no. That thing is broken. Try it again. You try it, I bet it says that you have been drinking too. :mrgreen:

Any time I watch the show, COPS and the officer pulls over a drunk, the cop asks "how much have you had to drink", the answer is always, "two beers".
Even when the perp can't stand up it's "two beers" :shrug

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Maybe he was telling the truth, but he was talking about two of these:

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Any time I watch the show, COPS and the officer pulls over a drunk, the cop asks "how much have you had to drink", the answer is always, "two beers".
If the officer had asked a more direct question (like your wife), the perp could not accurately say "two beers". The perp has in fact had two beers, along with plenty of other drinks, but the cop did not ask that. [Oh, you meant how many drinks I had at all of the bars I went to. I thought you just meant the last one!] If, instead, he had asked "have you been drinking alcohol in the last 6/24 hours" (directly like your spouse), the perp either lies or says "yes". Then the cop can ask another direct question, such as "tell me every drink with alcohol you have had in the last 6/24 hours". Again, the perp can either lie or tell the truth. The cop, not being as good a questioner as your wife, leaves the room for the perp to wiggle around.

And like Jim points out, not defining the size of the drink is another loophole!

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