epa report on bees

[wesw]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 6085,d.eWE

[wesw]

first link is to mother jones, sorry
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 6085,d.eWE

[RayThom]

Once you find the link that finally works properly go back and delete all the broken links you posted. Your repetitious nonsense is really getting tedious, man. You'll thank me later.

[Bicycle Bill]

Once you find the link that finally works properly go back and delete all the broken links you posted. Your repetitious nonsense is really getting tedious, man. You'll thank me later.

I was thinking maybe he could practice reading the links and then putting the gist of it into his own words.  Leave the link/URL at the end for those of us who may want to read more about it.

-"BB"-

[wesw]

I think that both links work, I just don t like mother jones....

and bill, i just can t win in that regard. i would rather do as you suggested, but then others say...


link?


what, no link?

it would be really nice if you gave enough of a shit to post a link, you beast!!!!

(i made the last one up, but only just...)

[Guinevere]

Jim Jones, Assistant Administrator. Wow. I worked with him when I was a young EPA staffer and he was the special assistant to the Assistant Administrator. The chess pieces may move around, but they sure don't change much.

[Bicycle Bill]

and bill, i just can t win in that regard. i would rather do as you suggested, but then others say...

link?  what, no link?

it would be really nice if you gave enough of a shit to post a link, you beast!!!!

(i made the last one up, but only just...)

Ahem ..... read *ALL* of my post the next time, OK?

I was thinking maybe he could practice reading the links and then putting the gist of it into his own words.  Leave the link/URL at the end for those of us who may want to read more about it.

-"BB"-

[Long Run]

Seems the bee post created another hornet's nest.

[wesw]

[wesw]

ok, the neonicotinoids have been a known cause of colony collapse disorder for 20 yrs and it has been covered up by the chemical companies and their paid off lackeys in our, and other , govts....

greedy corrupt bastards.

....and now for something completely different....

...rube, I would really like to know your take on this.

[Guinevere]

EPA has only once banned a pesticide because of ecological (non-human health) effects. Once. And you may thank yours truly for pushing and advocating and making that happen.

Because pesticides are actually necessary in some cases (although the amount and scale is clearly debatable), they are required to be regulated based on balancing the risks (toxicity x exposure) against the benefits (typically economic impact to the user). It makes for a difficult calculation since the impact of no use is incredibly difficult to quantify.

There has been no cover-up. I know all the pesticide folks. Colony collapse has not been widely studied until recently, and EPA has been overly focused on the food supply (per Congress and its last revisions to FIFRA - the federal insecticide, fungicide, and rodenticide act).

[Bicycle Bill]

EPA has only once banned a pesticide because of ecological (non-human health) effects. Once. And you may thank yours truly for pushing and advocating and making that happen

Are you trying to tell us that *YOU* were responsible for the banning of DDT?
Maybe you should be using "Rachel Carson" as your handle and something like this

as your avatar.

-"BB"-

[Guinevere]

Sorry, since DDT. Although in fact, DDT was only banned by EPA because of a court order not because of its regulatory responsibilities (and the process was started first by President Kennedy and the Science Advisory Committee before EPA even existed).

[rubato]

EPA has only once banned a pesticide because of ecological (non-human health) effects. Once. And you may thank yours truly for pushing and advocating and making that happen. ... act).

I didn't think you were old enough to be working in 1972.


Yrs,
Rubato

[wesw]

maybe it hasn t been widely studied, but it was studied and blamed on these same pesticides 20 yrs ago, by a narrow group of folks who didn t give a shit about the pesticide folks or their blood money

[MajGenl.Meade]

EPA has only once banned a pesticide because of ecological (non-human health) effects. Once. And you may thank yours truly for pushing and advocating and making that happen. ... act).

I didn't think you were old enough to be working in 1972.


Yrs,
Rubato

Some part of "since DDT" in Guin's explanatory message above that you missed?

[rubato]

That post was not visible when I posted.

My iPad is loading funny on the local wifi. No idea why.


Yrs,
Rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

OK