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The "Trump Doctrine"...

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This, probably more than anything else, illustrates why I'm going so far as to vote for Hillary:
Donald Trump Sets Conditions for Defending NATO Allies Against Attack

CLEVELAND — Donald J. Trump, on the eve of accepting the Republican nomination for president, explicitly raised new questions on Wednesday about his commitment to automatically defending NATO allies if they are attacked, saying he would first look at their contributions to the alliance.

Asked about Russia’s threatening activities, which have unnerved the small Baltic States that are among the more recent entrants into NATO, Mr. Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing if those nations have “fulfilled their obligations to us.”[Goodbye Article 5 of the NATO agreement...]

“If they fulfill their obligations to us,” he added, “the answer is yes.”

Mr. Trump’s statement appeared to be the first time that a major candidate for president had suggested conditioning the United States’ defense of its major allies. It was consistent, however, with his previous threat to withdraw American forces from Europe and Asia if those allies fail to pay more for American protection.

Mr. Trump also said he would not pressure Turkey or other authoritarian allies about conducting purges of their political adversaries or cracking down on civil liberties.[Of course not, he admires them...he'd like to get their advice on how to do the same here...] The United States, he said, has to “fix our own mess” before trying to alter the behavior of other nations.

“I don’t think we have a right to lecture,” Mr. Trump said in a wide-ranging interview in his suite in a downtown hotel here, while keeping an eye on television broadcasts from the Republican National Convention. “Look at what is happening in our country,” he said. “How are we going to lecture when people are shooting policemen in cold blood?” (Read the full transcript.)

During a 45-minute conversation, Mr. Trump re-emphasized the hard-line nationalist approach that has marked his improbable candidacy, describing how he would force allies to shoulder defense costs that the United States has borne for decades, cancel longstanding treaties he views as unfavorable, and redefine what it means to be a partner of the United States.

He said the rest of the world would learn to adjust to his approach. [The Russians and the Chinese certainly would; they'd rush in to fill the vacuum left by the US abandonment of leadership] “I would prefer to be able to continue” existing agreements, he said, but only if allies stopped taking advantage of what he called an era of American largess that was no longer affordable.

Giving a preview of his address to the convention on Thursday night, he said that he would press the theme of “America First,” his rallying cry for the past four months, and that he was prepared to scrap the North American Free Trade Agreement with Mexico and Canada if he could not negotiate radically better terms.

Within hours of Mr. Trump’s remarks calling into question whether, as president, he would automatically defend NATO allies, European officials who were already nervous about American commitments appeared a little stunned by his comments.

“Solidarity among allies is a key value for NATO,” Jens Stoltenberg, NATO’s secretary general and a former prime minister of Norway, said in a statement. He said he did not wish to “interfere” with the American election, but added: “Two world wars have shown that peace in Europe is also important for the security of the United States.”

The United States created the 28-nation alliance, and Article 5 of the NATO treaty, signed by President Truman, requires any member to come to the aid of another that NATO declares was attacked. It has been invoked only once: NATO pledged to defend the United States after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

That commitment has long been considered a central element of deterring attacks in Europe, especially against smaller and weaker nations like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which joined after the breakup of the Soviet Union.


The president of Estonia, Toomas Hendrik Ilves, one of the most pro-American allies in the region, quickly posted on Twitter evidence that his small country was meeting its defense commitments, and noted it had contributed to the mission in Afghanistan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0

I don't care how much of a cynical, arrogant, pocket-lining, shameless dissembler Hillary is...

This is crazy shit.... :loon

And the most pernicious thing about this neo-isolationist know-nothing demagoguery , is that it will no doubt have a superficial appeal to folks who are ignorant of both the history involved, and the dynamics of contemporary global politics...

"Well dang, Trump's right! Why should we be carin' 'bout whut's goin' on in Lithuwayneeyuh? Whut they ever do for us? Fuck 'em"....
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Can you imagine how fast Russian tanks would be rolling over the border into the Baltic states on the very day he takes office if this clown is ever elected.
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Lord Jim wrote: "Well dang, Trump's right! Why should we be carin' whut's goin' on in Lithuwayneeyuh? Whut they ever do for us? Fuck 'em"....
Do you have oil? Golf courses? Overpriced real estate? Apparel sweatshops? No? Hey, you're on your own.
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And remember, the nice immigrant lady who knows him best, promised us "his word is his bond'

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That was Michelle Obama, and not about Trump.
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... "(Trump's)" word is his bond'
Absolutely... and at approximately .27¢ on ever dollar.
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RayThom wrote:
... "(Trump's)" word is his bond'
Absolutely... and at approximately .27¢ on ever dollar.
Actually, the Trump Entertainment Resorts bonds (which financed the bankrupt Trump Taj Mahal) were ultimately redeemed at a penny on the dollar.
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the Trump Entertainment Resorts bonds (which financed the bankrupt Trump Taj Mahal) were ultimately redeemed at a penny on the dollar.
Trump believes he can work out the same deal with Treasury Bonds...
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This is a must-see brief interview:

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THE OFFICIAL DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER'S STARTER KIT
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :ok
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This is a must-see brief interview:
I saw that interview live when it happened, and I was meaning to post it...

Pretty chilling stuff... :?
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