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that is to say, why cannot both be "Both"? I don't have a problem with that.
that's a fair compromise.

Bill--and I guess the toilet tissue used in the bedroom for those purposes should not be flushed either.

Thousands of dollars to clear the pipes of semen--must be prodigious amounts. :o

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:I was recently in the NY Finger Lakes area and enjoyed a wine tasting at a very pleasant winery visited often in the past. They have two "restrooms" (the USian slang for "toilet"). One was marked 'Women" and the other, the one with the urinal and a toilet bowl, was marked "Both"

So if one woman chose to use "Both" any needy male just had to stand outside the empty "Women" toilet and hope that the good lady in the "Both" freaking well hurried up

How is that equality?

We went to lunch at the Cliff House a week ago Sunday and both of the restrooms were marked for both.

What a line!

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but what if you're neither?

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Bicycle Bill wrote: How can one state be having so much trouble over bathrooms?
This "concern" has made the rounds at numerous colleges -- I think some jokester has actually produced and posted the notice, it is just not the college.

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:That isn't worth squat!
It took a bit of getting used to them when we were in Japan, but after a while they became second nature, very health way to drop a load.
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I'll pass...
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Gas?

That only helps for so long. :lol:

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Maybe it was the Romans who sent us off on a different course in optimizing plumbing:

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Maybe not.

We encountered squat toilets a couple of times in the otherwise very civilised French countryside.

One at Carnac looked <<exactly>> like this one.

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For an impassioned treatise on the subject I give you:
Sometimes people from my old home state in the Midwest ask me why I want to live in France. Sometimes it’s a real question and sometimes it isn’t. There are two possibilities:

1. If the speaker is merely trying to express displeasure with a society and/or government that he doesn’t actually know much about, I usually answer, “That’s funny — no one in Paris ever asks me why I left the Midwest.”

2. If it’s a genuine question that merits an honest answer, I usually say, “Because the quality of daily life in France in general, and Paris in particular, is about 100 times better than anyplace else I have ever been to or heard of.”

But there’s always room for improvement. Today I would like to address a grave problem that has been downgrading the quality of life in France for many, many years. It is a major cause of dismay to every foreign visitor, and most French travelers as well. It is a hopeless throwback to a barbaric era, an anachronism whose prevalence and perpetuation defy all logic. It is a blight upon the otherwise unmitigated pleasure of enjoying drinks or dinner in a Parisian café or bistro. I refer, of course, to the squat toilet.

For the benefit of readers fortunate enough to have never had to deal with this tragic miscarriage of plumbing design, a squat toilet is not so much a toilet as a target. It consists of a thick, contoured ceramic slab, usually about 2.5 feet square, installed flush (ho-ho-ho) with the floor, incorporating a drain hole in the back and two raised platforms where you’re supposed to put your feet. It was obviously invented by someone who didn’t know a bathroom fixture from a hole in the ground.

Squat toilets are a common sight, if you can stand to look, in Asia, the Middle East and parts of South America, as well as a few of the less civilized pockets of Europe. It seems that no one wants to take credit for the thing. (Public Service Announcement: The first three clauses of the next sentence are actually true.) The British call it the “French toilet,” the French call it the “Turkish toilet,” the Turks call it the “Iranian toilet,” the Iranians call it the “Uzbek toilet,” the Uzbeks call it the “Mongolian toilet,” the Mongols call it the “North Korean toilet,” and the North Koreans call it the “hwa jang shil,” which translates as, “Damn, I wish we had a free-market economy so we could afford one of those high-tech Japanese lavatories.”

When I first moved to France in the early 1980s, the squatter was by far the most common commode in public restrooms of all kinds. Once I even stayed briefly in an apartment equipped with one, a bombsight for the bowels that served double duty as the floor of the shower stall. Its presence in the apartment had a lot to do with my presence in the apartment being “brief.” Over the past few decades the squat‘n’squirt has been phased out somewhat, especially in women’s restrooms (ahh, er, so I have heard), but there are still way too many of them.

And here’s the thing that really baffles me: builders and interior designers persist in putting these primitive privies in new and remodeled cafés and restaurants. Why? What could the advantage possibly be? Let’s consider the attributes of a stooper pooper versus a real toilet with a seat:

Is it easier to install?

The Wikipedia article on this misbegotten monstrosity says yes, but I don’t believe it for a second. A squat pot has to be inset into the floor, cement-sealed all around its ten-foot perimeter and hooked to a drain going down many inches below floor level, rather than just bolted into place and linked to the nearest in and out pipes. Plus it needs one of those old-fashioned high-mounted pull chain tanks with a long downpipe to flush it. Getting all of that in place has to be substantially more laborious and time-consuming.

Is it easier to clean?

Again, Wikipedia says yes, and again I seriously doubt it. I suppose you could slosh some bleach around with a long-handled mop, but to get it really clean you’d have to get down on your hands and knees and brush down the whole huge basin, plus every square centimeter of floor and wall around it, because squatters tend to spatter water (etc.) all over the place when they flush. And judging from the condition of most of the low loos in France, it’s just plain impossible to clean the drain, which invariably looks like a porthole to the deepest circle of hell.

Is it more sanitary?

The drain sure as hell isn’t. Wikipedia mentions the hygienic advantage that the user never needs to bring his or her delicate keisterial region into contact with a potentially insalubrious surface. True enough. On the other hand, because of the above-mentioned spatter phenomenon, the user has to stand in what amounts to a shallow pool of diluted urine and carefully hold up any garments that have been temporarily displaced to avoid them coming into contact with an indisputably, transcendently insalubrious surface. Essentially, instead of resting your butt over the bowl, you plant your feet right in it. In terms of the GAG (Global Abhorrent Grossness) factor, give me a proper toilet any day.

Is it easier to use?

Don’t make me laugh. Especially when I’m trying to use a squat toilet. Once again, the Wikipedia article comes in on the other side of the question, raising a number of points about how it’s biologically easier and maybe even healthier for humans to hunker while eliminating, because it seals off intestinal valve A and loosens up muscle B, etc., etc. However, if this is true, we could get all of those benefits by leaning forward while sitting on a regular throne. And with no strain on the knees.

This leaves only one possibility:

Is it cheaper?

Wikipedia and I disagree right on down the line. Crouch crappers might be cheaper in other countries, but I did a little research on the Web among French plumbing suppliers, and get this: repellent and user-hostile as they are, floor-flushers actually cost about twice as much as normal toilets. There is a very wide range of prices for toilet fixtures of all kinds, but generally a low-end new sit-down model runs about €180, while the cheapest new squat jobs I could find cost more than €350. There isn’t even any math to do.

So what, pray tell, is the reason that this scourge has not been expunged from the face of, if not the entire Earth, at least the French bits? I hereby call upon my readers to join me in a campaign to protest the continued use of these loathsome latrines. I’m not advocating actual vandalism, but every time you encounter a squat toilet, please defile it. With whatever unsavory substance happens to be available.

David Jaggard
https://www.paris-update.com/fr/hot-top ... ch-toilets



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I remember coming across them in Italy at service centres along the autostrade, but nowhere else.
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You're on a roll today Econo!

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