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The maneuvers to oust Zuma are intriguing us all in Safrica.

The EFF planned court action to force parliament to bring their No Confidence debate scheduled for next week forward to this. The ANC instructed Zuma to step down but has no power to make him quit. The EFF then cancelled their effort to bring the No Confidence vote forward after discussion with the ANC. Possible scenario:

ANC can't "fire" Zuma but desperately wants him out.
ANC can't bear to support an EFF vote of no confidence (which would force Zuma out)
EFF wants a vote of no confidence but thinks it may lose if the ANC doesn't support it
So by agreement with ANC, EFF will withdraw their motion for the VoNC
In turn, the ANC will make the motion calling for the VoNC - which the EFF will support

The question seems to be, will the EFF trust the ANC?

The alternative (if the VoNC is cancelled or defeated) is to impeach Zuma which will take months and months.

Our very own, Ace Magashule, new Secretary General of the ANC and still trying to hang on as Free State Premier (a violation of ANC rules forbidding holding two political offices simultaneously), just today followed the lead of his corrupt crony in saying "President Zuma has done nothing wrong".
Zuma refused to step down. He told the party’s leadership that he had done “nothing wrong”.

Well, let’s jog the president’s memory by reminding him of just a few of his misdemeanours. Some light, some, not so light.

Jacob Zuma faces 783 charges of corruption, including fraud, racketeering and money laundering in a court of law. He denies all of them. Just an FYI Mr President, just because you deny something, does not mean it did not happen… 783 times. Among the allegations contained in the report from the previous Public Protector, one Ms Thuli Madonsela, are that Zuma and the Guptas orchestrated state capture.

Let’s continue in the vein of cronyism and mismanagement of the Zuma administration, shall we? During Zuma’s presidency, South Africa was dunked headfirst into a recession. Its debt was downgraded to junk status. I won’t necessarily say he’s been a junk president, but…

The unemployment rate is pretty junk as well. As it stands, 28% of the population remains jobless and a further 8% have given up looking for jobs altogether. Zuma, of course, has never had to worry about this sort of thing, because his job (until recently) has remained pretty stable.

If dodging bullets were an Olympic sport, Zuma would be a gold medalist. He has managed to get away with ignoring several court orders, mismanaging public funds and he has also willy-nilly taken it upon himself to fire shots and get rid of several of the country's most competent ministers.

More on the ministers… Zuma managed to change his Finance Minister twice within a week. Unprecedented. Or shall we say unpresidented? This Finance Minister game of chess rattled investors and understandably so. Which foreign market wants to trust a president whose behaviour impacts largely on Africa’s biggest economy? Answer: None. And it’s because of this that the JSE All Share Index lost nearly $11 billion in value following the news of the changes.

Let’s move from billions to a few lighter millions. Who can forget the controversy surrounding NkandlaGate? Zuma can, in spite of the fact that in late 2016, he actually ended up paying back some of the money. R7.6 million to be exact. A tiny dent when you consider that the total amount of public funds he used for renovations and 'security improvements' on his homestead totalled R246 million. But who’s counting right? Not Zuma.

He’s not counting because apparently, he can’t. On several occasions, the president has got his numbers incredibly wrong. He once pronounced R939,360,000 as 939 million 3,000 and 60,000. And another time, during an ANC national general council meeting, the president fumbled over another number. He was talking about the party’s previous membership numbers which stood at 1,220,057, but when reading out the figure he said there were 1 hundred point 2 million members. Just to put this into perspective… there are only 55.9 million people in the whole of South Africa. Maybe that’s why he couldn’t understand why there was a problem with the vast amount of money he spent on Nkandla. To President Zuma, R246 million is actually only R24.60, the price of a 2-litre carton of milk really.

And while we’re on the subject of things the president says, let’s refresh our memories with these gems:

Jacob Zuma once declared dogs to be a white thing. He said having a dog as a pet is un-African and that black South Africans who bought dogs were only trying to 'copy white culture'. Especially when they take their dogs for walks and to vets.

During the launch of e-tolls and Jo’burg's new freeways, Zuma explained that the tolls were because money needed to be paid back for the loans taken out during construction. “The principle of user pay has to apply to complement the costs incurred by government. This is what all the economies in the world do,” he said. But he was not finished. Zuma also famously added: “We can’t think like Africans in Africa generally. [Laughter] We are in Johannesburg. This is Johannesburg. It is not some national road in Malawi. [Laughter] No.”

Then there was that Jesus line, which he quoted over and over again: “people needed (sic) to accept that the ANC would rule until Jesus Christ came back”. "I hear people complaining when we say the ANC will rule fully until Jesus comes back but we have been blessed. Pastors have prayed for us," he said.

On paying back the money, Zuma said: “Why do you say I should pay back the money? You don’t even know how much.” Well, we do know how much Mr President. I think we have clarified that it is, in fact, you who cannot count.

Zuma on women: “People today think being single is nice. It’s actually not right. That’s a distortion. You’ve got to have kids. Kids are important to a woman because they give extra training to a woman, to be a mother.” Zuma should know. He himself has done such a great job raising model citizens.

And finally, and this one takes the corruption cake: “Me? Well, I don’t know, I must go to a dictionary and learn what a crook is. I’ve never been a crook.”

It’s hard to mention all the president’s transgressions. These are just a handful really. But I’m pretty sure there’s a journalist out there who is currently working on an alphabetical encyclopedia that mentions all of the president’s wrongdoings.
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What we know so far:
1. The ANC issued an official recall for President Jacob Zuma on Tuesday
2. ANC Caucus confirms that it will go with a motion of no confidence if Zuma does not resign and gives deadline as the end of Wednesday
3. Motion rescheduled for Thursday, 15 February at 14:00
4. Zuma speaks in meandos to the SABC, says he will ‘make a statement’
5. Zuma repeatedly says in SABC interview that he ‘does not know what he has done wrong’

EFF apparently withdrew their case to force the Speaker to reschedule the debate because she had already agreed to move it to Thursday. The ANC seems to be gathering its testicles and whatever equivalent the ladies have with their threat to support the motion; however, EFF remains in discussions with ANC about this.

Zuma just gave a specious (check it out, rubato) monologue live on SABC in which he lied by:

1. claiming that he had postponed the State of the Nation Address (SONA) because he was concerned it provided a catalyst for intra-ANC violence. FACT: he fought the postponement until the last minute and then caved because the ANC, DA, EFF, the people of Safrica, the media, in short everyone except his bribery comrades threatened action (legal)

2. Says he has agreed to resign but there's a package (ech!) that must be agreed to; the important element is that he should stay on "through June" or no, "through July" or may be it's August so he can introduce the Deputy-President of Safrica to other world leaders who otherwise have no idea who Cyril Ramaphosa is. FACT: the package insists upon full immunity from prosecution; to hell with the introductions

3. He absolutely does not and will never defy the ANC leadership. Refusing to resign without his package is merely "disagreeing with a decision". FACT: he is defying

4. He fought against the ousting of Thabo Mbeki as President but was overwhelmed by a majority. FACT: he orchestrated Mbeki's removal by forming an alliance of various disaffected ANC minor leaders and functionaries.

5. He doesn't know that he's done anything wrong. FACT: Sean Abrahams, his pet leader of the Prosecuting authority, has asked his staff to answer by Friday if they should go ahead and indict Zuma on all 783 charges of corruption (or perhaps just the ones Zuma knows are wrong - oh! None)

meandos: Zuma made up this word in a reply to a journo's question: You come with meandos, I answer in meandos.
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I see that Zuma has now resigned. Ramaphosa is supposedly worth $675 million but seems to be opposed to the Guptas. I wish there were another Mandela.

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I've said it before...

South Africa is not going to achieve any meaningful political reform until it finally progresses beyond this one-party rule form of "democracy" where the only game in town is the ANC, and the only real competition is intra-party...

SA currently has a system similar to the one Mexico had for 70 years, where technically it was a pluralistic democracy, but one party had total political control (In Mexico's case, the PRI)

A system like that encourages corruption, nepotism, and political ossification...

South Africa won't really begin to progress as a country until its democracy has matured to the point where power can pass peacefully from one party to another...
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His first speech yesterday: I agree to resign but I must have my "package". Without my "package", I will not defy the ANC but I will not agree to step down.

ANC agrees to support EFF vote of no confidence

His second speech yesterday: Oh, bye bye.

The electoral system is definitely defective but unfortunately is enshrined in the Constitution (or the Constooshan). The ANC wins, LJ, because they were the revolutionary movement that succeeded in dismantling the apartheid government and the newly enfranchised and overwhelmingly black electorate was not about to vote for the Nats or whatever "white" party evolved. Some voted Inkatha Freedom but not in significant numbers. The ANC inherited the mantle of the true, effective, representative black party, which is what they were.
For South Africa’s National elections, citizens cast a vote for a single party of their choice; the country is divided into 10 large multi-member district regions: 9 corresponding to the 9 provinces (with a total magnitude of 200 seats, ranging from 5 to 48 seats in each region [4]), and 1 national district for the country as a whole (with a magnitude of 200 seats). We employ a proportional representation system, allocating seats in direct proportion to the number of votes a party received.


You're quite right - this proportional representation system has generated increasing debate. At the outset, it was thought to encourage coalition government and, to an extent, that has worked at the parliamentary level. There is a guaranteed opposition, impotent though it may be because of sheer numbers. The biggest flaw is that there is no vote for any individual person and no ability to vote out that person next time around. Each party fields a slate of candidates and only the party can take disciplinary measures.

The biggest flaw is the Constitution itself which has vested vastly too much power in the Presidency. There is no "advise and consent" restriction on the deployment of cadres (sic) to positions of power and of wealth-accumulation. Mandela, even Thabo Mbeke, were relatively immune to the implications and temptations. But a Constitution that relies on the goodwill of the central authority soon finds a central authoritarian, ready to abuse the system in the knowledge that it will take a long time to be found out. And even then, as Zuma demonstrates so well, a raised middle finger continues to work for years.

Now, there is no one in Safrica who is sanguine about any proposal to change the Conchooshun. Once the box is open....

All we know is that this week it started to rain in Cape Town (at least 9 killed in Western Cape flash floods, sadly):

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Recent events have attenuated greatly my ability to criticize other countries governmental failures.

So I will wish them well.

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