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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Rick » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:16 pm

Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is
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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Andrew D » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:44 pm

I'm not Big RR, but in 2000, the Supreme Court held that the FDA does not have the authority to regulate tobacco.

Importantly, the Supreme Court did not hold that Congress cannot authorize the FDA to regulate tobacco. Rather, it held that Congress had not authorized the FDA to regulate tobacco.

There is a concise article on the subject .
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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Rick » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:00 pm

Thanks Andrew, however I was actually inquiring about Hooter.

But since you brought it to the fore do you think hooter will follow suit and fall under ATF rather than FDA?
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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby dgs49 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:48 pm

The difference between the presence and absence of the word "expressly" in the phrase, "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution," is one of nuance, not essence. The meaning of the Amendment remains basically the same.

Andrew (and today's "living document" crowd) would have us believe that the omission of the word, "expressly" renders the Tenth Amendment little more than commentary. But this is nonsense.

To anyone who can read the English language, it is abundantly clear that the powers granted to the Congress in Article 1 do NOT include, for example, establishing a mandatory retirement plan for all Americans, or funding a network of radio and television stations, or demanding that healthy, young Americans purchase unnecessary health insurance, under penalty of law.

The decision NOT to include the word "expressly" merely results in the expansion of the delegated powers to include those related powers that are logically inferrable from the specific powers that are delegated. For example, the powers to, "...raise and support Armies [and] to provide and maintain a Navy,..." also encompass the power to create and fund the Air Force (which was originally part of the Army).

But from which among the eighteen delegated powers does the power to create "Obamacare" come from? The answer is NONE of them.

And with all of Andrew's blather posted above, he has not even hinted at how such a power can be created for Congress out of the raw material provided in Article 1. Andrew simply claims that the Tenth Amendment doesn't mean what it sure as hell appears to mean, and from there, he concludes that Congress can do whatever the fuck it wants to do, with no constraints whatsoever.

Because the Tenth Amendment doesn't say, "expressly."

Baloney.
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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Andrew D » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:18 pm

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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Andrew D » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:43 pm

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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Andrew D » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:45 pm

Now that dgs49 has abandoned even the pretense of intellectual honesty, I see no reason to continue this caricature of a debate.

I can only hope that the adults in the room have found at least some of what I have written to be at least somewhat informative.
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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Grim Reaper » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:19 am

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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby dgs49 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:00 pm

Andrew, you festering sack of shit,

I have challenged you several times in this thread to describe how Article 1 of the Constitution authorizes Congress to (among many other things) create a compulsory retirement program. I maintain that it does not.

There is nothing included in your thousands of words of painful obfuscation that even approaches a response. You merely claim, in effect, that the path from Point A to Point B need not be a straight line. It is not a complex question, and involves nothing more than the interpretation of a couple of phrases that are not particularly esoteric or complicated. You have provided nothing but intelligent-sounding nonsense.

I have set forth a clear and concise explication of the Tenth Amendment (not that it needs one), and you have gone on interminably about what it does NOT mean. So what?

So you have apparently adopted the coward's way out of an ignominious defeat: you declare victory and withdraw.

It is no wonder you have no friends.
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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:03 pm

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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Andrew D » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:43 pm

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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

Postby Andrew D » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:14 pm

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Re: Don't let the door hit you in the ass

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