As we say in Pittsburgh...
...alls I know is that President O'Bama told us that we were slowly tightening the noose around Gadaffi.
So everything is totally under control, and his days are numbered. It may be a really big number, but they are numbered.
Gaddafi's last throw of the dice?
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Re: Gaddafi's last throw of the dice?
From the day we are born, all of our days are numbered. 
Re: Gaddafi's last throw of the dice?
Why, do they control by virtue of their popular support, or because they have the military strength to control the areas? That's what we don't know. There may be many who hate Momar and the rebel leadership.rubato wrote:the number of areas they control should be some guide.Gob wrote:The trouble is that we have no real idea what the support level is for the rebels within Libya.
Re: Gaddafi's last throw of the dice?
The fact that enough people are willing to risk death to control them at all is what it relevant. In Iraq, by contrast, there was no organized opposition to Saddam and there was no public evidence of a willingness to risk death to overthrow him. That is why (along with Bush's lies about WMD and the fact that Al Qaeda were not in Iraq) our attack was stupid.Big RR wrote:Why, do they control by virtue of their popular support, or because they have the military strength to control the areas? That's what we don't know. There may be many who hate Momar and the rebel leadership.rubato wrote:the number of areas they control should be some guide.Gob wrote:The trouble is that we have no real idea what the support level is for the rebels within Libya.
Absolute certainty is never possible but here there is great evidence. Qaddaffi's recent military successes suggest that the moment for positive intervention might have passed, and all that can come now is slaughter, Like when Reagan supported Pinochet's mass murders.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Gaddafi's last throw of the dice?
there are people who will risk deaths because they choose to, and others who will ill do so because they are made to. History is full of "rebels" who come in and conscript people to fight for their cause by force, not because they are offering them anything better or desirable. They are not making a choice. I honestly don't know if that's what's happening here or not.
Re: Gaddafi's last throw of the dice?
When all is said and done, the West fumbled this one.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: Gaddafi's last throw of the dice?
Bahrain is now ruthlessly putting down a rebel uprising.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: Gaddafi's last throw of the dice?
That's very hard to say.Gob wrote:When all is said and done, the West fumbled this one.
First of all, it was not "the west's" to fumble. It was up to the people of Libya. And if they failed to give concrete demonstration which was visible to the world that they were willing to risk their lives for a more legitimate government before this then that is not our fault. Clarity of purpose was their job, not ours.
But there is still a significant opportunity. The Islamic world is gradually coming around to supporting the insurrection and it is the Islamic world whose opinion will matter in the long run.
yrs,
rubato