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Per Darren:
I talked to an operator at a coal fired power plant that had to make adjustments due to the variances in power output from a neighboring wind farm. It wasn't simple. Large power plants were never designed to throttle up and down. Generators turn at a constant 1800 rpm.


If they couldn't manage the variations caused by the variations in wind power supply, how did they manage the day to day and minute by minute variations caused by - e.g., - spikes in heater or AC demand or variations caused by half time at the TV game when everyone gets up to fix a snack or people going to bed when Letterman (or whoever does it these days) finishes?
That's the beauty of the grid with the flexibility of old. The issue affecting the grid today is wind and solar aren't rotational with the massive momentum of large spinning machines that operators can adjust by throttling the steam or fuel input to keep the frequency of the power steady.

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Republican Ties to Extremist Groups Are Under Scrutiny

WASHINGTON — The video’s title was posed as a question, but it left little doubt about where the men who filmed it stood. They called it “The Coming Civil War?” and in its opening seconds, Jim Arroyo, who leads an Arizona chapter of Oath Keepers, a right-wing militia, declared that the conflict had already begun.

To back up his claim, Mr. Arroyo cited Representative Paul Gosar of Arizona, one of the most far-right members of Congress. Mr. Gosar had paid a visit to the local Oath Keepers chapter a few years earlier, Mr. Arroyo recounted, and when asked if the United States was headed for a civil war, the congressman’s “response to the group was just flat out: ‘We’re in it. We just haven’t started shooting at each other yet.’

Less than two months after the video was posted, members of the Oath Keepers were among those with links to extremist groups from around the country who took part in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, prompting new scrutiny of the links between members of Congress and an array of organizations and movements that espouse far-right beliefs.

Nearly 150 House Republicans supported President Donald J. Trump’s baseless claims that the election had been stolen from him. But Mr. Gosar and a handful of other Republican members of the House had deeper ties to extremist groups who pushed violent ideas and conspiracy theories and whose members were prominent among those who stormed the halls of Congress in an effort to stop certification of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory.

Their ranks include Representative Andy Biggs of Arizona, who like Mr. Gosar was linked to the “Stop the Steal” campaign backing Mr. Trump’s effort to overturn the election’s outcome.

Representative Lauren Boebert of Colorado has close connections to militia groups including the so-called Three Percenters, an extremist offshoot of the gun rights movement that had at least one member who entered the Capitol on Jan. 6.

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has promoted the QAnon conspiracy theory, whose adherents were among the most visible of those who stormed the building, and she appeared at a rally with militia groups.

Before being elected to Congress last year, Ms. Greene used social media in 2019 to endorse executing top Democrats and has suggested that the 2018 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., was a staged “false flag” attack. The liberal group Media Matters for America reported on Thursday that Ms. Greene also speculated on Facebook in 2018 that California wildfires might have been started by lasers from space, promoting a theory pushed by followers of QAnon.

Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida appeared last year at an event also attended by members of the Proud Boys, another extremist organization whose role in the Jan. 6 assault, like those of the Oath Keepers and Three Percenters, is being investigated by the F.B.I.

It is not clear whether any elected officials played a role in directly facilitating the attack on the Capitol, other than helping to incite violence through false statements about the election being stolen from Mr. Trump. Officials have said they are investigating reports from Democrats that a number of House Republicans provided tours of the Capitol and other information to people who might have gone on to be part of the mob on Jan. 6. So far, no evidence has surfaced publicly to back up those claims.

Ms. Boebert said in a statement that she had “never given a tour of the U.S. Capitol to anyone besides family members in town for my swearing-in,” and she called accusations from Democrats that she gave a “reconnaissance tour” to insurgents an “irresponsible lie.” After the riot at the Capitol, she said she did not support “unlawful acts of violence.”

Mr. Biggs has denied associating with Stop the Steal organizers and condemned violence “of any kind.”

“Were you aware of any planned demonstration or riot at the U.S. Capitol to take place after the rally on Jan. 6, 2021? No,” Mr. Biggs said in a statement.

A spokesman for Ms. Greene said she now rejects QAnon, and he tried to distance her from militia members.

“She doesn’t have anything to do with it,” her communications director, Nick Dyer, said of QAnon. “She thinks it’s disinformation.” As for the militia members, he said, “Those people were at one event independently of Congresswoman Greene.”

Mr. Gosar did not respond to requests for comment.

Mr. Gaetz, on his podcast, said the Proud Boys were at the event he attended to provide security, and that “just because you take a picture with someone,” it does not mean “you’re tied to every viewpoint they’ve ever had or that they will ever have in the future.”

But in signaling either overt or tacit support, a small but vocal band of Republicans now serving in the House provided legitimacy and publicity to extremist groups and movements as they built toward their role in supporting Mr. Trump’s efforts to subvert the outcome of the 2020 election and the attack on Congress.

Aitan D. Goelman, a former federal prosecutor who helped convict the Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, said that when elected officials — or even candidates for office — took actions like appearing with militia groups or other right-wing groups it “provides them with an added imprimatur of legitimacy.”

An examination of many of the most prominent elected Republicans with links to right-wing groups also shows how various strands of extremism came together at the Capitol on Jan. 6.
  • In July, Mr. Gosar, a dentist, posed for a picture with a member of the Proud Boys. Two years earlier, he spoke at a rally for a jailed leader of Britain’s anti-immigrant fringe in London, where he vilified Muslim immigrants as a “scourge.” And in 2014, he traveled to Nevada to support the armed standoff between law enforcement and supporters of the cattle rancher Cliven Bundy, who had refused to stop trespassing on federal lands.
  • Mr. Biggs, the chairman of the hard-right House Freedom Caucus, was seen by leaders of the Stop the Steal movement as an inspiration and has spoken at events hosted by extremists, including one at which a founder of the Oath Keepers called for hanging Senator John McCain.
  • Ms. Boebert, elected to the House in November, said on Twitter that “Today is 1776” on the morning of Jan. 6, and she has connections to the Three Percenters, which shares her view that gun rights are under assault. At least one member of the group has been arrested in the breach of the Capitol.
  • Ms. Greene has for years trafficked in conspiracy theories, expressed support for QAnon and made offensive remarks about Black people, Jews and Muslims. She also appeared at a campaign event alongside members of the Three Percenters.
To some degree, the members of Congress have been reflecting signals sent by Mr. Trump.

During a presidential debate in October, he made a nod toward the Proud Boys, telling them to “stand back and stand by.” Two months earlier, Mr. Trump described followers of QAnon — several of whom have been charged with murder, domestic terrorism, planned kidnapping and, most recently, storming the Capitol — as “people that love our country,” adding that “they do supposedly like me.”

Few Republicans have been more linked to extremist groups than Mr. Gosar.

“He’s been involved with anti-Muslim groups and hate groups,” said Mr. Gosar’s brother Dave Gosar, a lawyer in Wyoming. “He’s made anti-Semitic diatribes. He’s twisted up so tight with the Oath Keepers it’s not even funny.”

Dave Gosar and other Gosar siblings ran ads denouncing their brother as a dangerous extremist when he ran for Congress in 2018. Now they are calling on Congress to expel him.

“We warned everybody how dangerous he was,” Dave Gosar said.

In the days after the 2020 election, Mr. Gosar and Mr. Biggs helped turn Arizona into a crucible for the Stop the Steal movement, finding common cause with hard-liners who until then had toiled in obscurity, like Ali Alexander. The two congressmen recorded a video, “This Election Is A Joke,” which was viewed more than a million times and spread disinformation about widespread voter fraud.

Mr. Alexander has said he “schemed up” the Jan. 6 rally with Mr. Gosar, Mr. Biggs and another vocal proponent of Stop the Steal, Representative Mo Brooks of Alabama. Mr. Alexander’s characterization of the role of the members of Congress is exaggerated, Mr. Biggs said, but the lawmakers were part of a larger network of people who helped plan and promote the rally as part of Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the will of the voters.

After the election, Mr. Alexander emerged as a vocal proponent of the president’s stolen election claims, setting up a Stop the Steal website on Nov. 4 and making incendiary statements. On Dec. 8, he tweeted that he was willing to give up his life to keep Mr. Trump in office.

The Arizona Republican Party followed up, retweeting Mr. Alexander’s post and adding: “He is. Are you?” Mr. Alexander has since been barred from Twitter.

Ten days later, Mr. Gosar was one of the headliners at a rally in Phoenix that Mr. Alexander helped organize. Mr. Gosar used the rally to deliver a call to action, telling the crowd that they planned to “conquer the Hill” to return Mr. Trump to the presidency.

During his time onstage, Mr. Alexander called Mr. Gosar “my captain” and added, “One of the other heroes has been Congressman Andy Biggs.”

Although Mr. Biggs has played down his involvement with the Stop the Steal campaign, on Dec. 19, Mr. Alexander played a video message from Mr. Biggs to an angry crowd at an event where attendees shouted violent slogans against lawmakers. At the event, Mr. Biggs’s wife, Cindy Biggs, was seen hugging Mr. Alexander twice and speaking in his ear.

In 2019, Mr. Biggs spoke at an event supported by the Patriot Movement AZ, AZ Patriots and the American Guard — all identified as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center, according to The Arizona Republic. In 2015, he sat silent at an event as a founder of the Oath Keepers called for the hanging ​of Senator McCain, calling him a traitor to the Constitution. Mr. Biggs told The Republic at the time that he did not feel it was his place to speak up and denounce the comments.

Mr. Arroyo, of the Oath Keepers in Arizona, said Mr. Gosar had attended two of their meetings, about a year apart. Mr. Arroyo said that his organization “does not advocate for breaking the law” and that he was “saddened to see the display of trespassing on the Capitol building by a few out-of-control individuals.”

Just like Mr. Gosar’s family, Mr. Biggs’s two brothers have publicly denounced him, saying he was at least partly responsible for the violence on Jan. 6. In addition, a Democratic state representative in Arizona, Athena Salman, has called on the Justice Department to investigate the actions of Mr. Gosar and Mr. Biggs before the riot, saying they “encouraged, facilitated, participated and possibly helped plan this anti-democratic insurrection.”

In December 2019, hundreds of protesters descended on the Colorado Statehouse to oppose a new state law meant to take firearms out of the hands of emotionally disturbed people.

Among those at the rally were members of the Three Percenters, which federal prosecutors describe as a “radical militia group,” and a congressional hopeful with a history of arrests named Lauren Boebert, who was courting their votes. Armed with her own handgun, she posed for photographs with militia members and defiantly pledged to oppose the law.

In the months that followed, militia groups would emerge as one of Ms. Boebert’s crucial political allies. As her campaign got underway last year, she wrote on Twitter, “I am the militia.”

Militia members provided security for her campaign events and frequented the restaurant she owns, Shooters Grill in Rifle, Colo. In a recently posted video, a member of the Three Percenters was filmed giving Ms. Boebert a Glock 22 handgun.

Another member of the group, Robert Gieswein, who posed for a photograph in front of Ms. Boebert’s restaurant last year, is facing federal charges in the storming of the Capitol and attacking the police.

Photographs from the attack show him clad in tactical gear, goggles and a helmet, wrestling with Capitol Police officers to remove metal barricades and brandishing a baseball bat. Prosecutors have also cited a video of Mr. Gieswein encouraging other rioters as they smashed a window at the Capitol.

Once inside, Mr. Gieswein was photographed with another suspect, Dominic Pezzola, a former Marine and a member of the Proud Boys, who has also been charged in the Capitol attack.

Ms. Boebert’s communications director, Benjamin Stout, said in an email that she “has always condemned all forms of political violence and has repeatedly made clear that those who stormed the U.S. Capitol should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.”

He added, “Simply because she takes a photo with someone that asks for one doesn’t mean she endorses every single belief they have or agrees with all other public statements or causes they support.”

One of the animating forces behind the attack on the Capitol was the movement known as QAnon, and QAnon has few more high-profile supporters than Ms. Greene.

QAnon is a movement centered on the fantastical claim that Mr. Trump, secretly aided by the military, was elected to smash a cabal of Democrats, international financiers and “Deep State” bureaucrats who worship Satan and abuse children. It prophesied an apocalyptic showdown, known as “the Storm,” between Mr. Trump and his enemies. During the Storm, their enemies, including Mr. Biden and many Democratic and Republican members of Congress, would be arrested and executed.

The mob that attacked the Capitol included many visible QAnon supporters wearing “Q” shirts and waving “Q” banners.

Among them was Jake Angeli, a QAnon devotee who styled himself the “Q Shaman.” Mr. Angeli, whose real name is Jacob Chansley, stormed the Capitol in horns and animal furs, and left a note threatening Vice President Mike Pence.

Also among them was Ashli Babbitt, a QAnon believer who was shot and killed by a Capitol Police officer as she tried to climb through a window in a barricaded door near the House chamber.

Ms. Greene was an early adherent, calling QAnon “a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take this global cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles out.” Many of her Facebook posts in recent years reflected language used by the movement, talking about hanging prominent Democrats or executing F.B.I. agents.

Ms. Greene has also displayed a fondness for some of the militia groups whose members were caught on video attacking the Capitol, including the Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters. Speaking in 2018 at the Mother of All Rallies, a pro-Trump gathering in Washington, she praised militias as groups that can protect people against “a tyrannical government.”
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HOW TO KNOW WHEN THE INSURRECTION STARTS

I don't know, and I don't really care.
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Why are there still so many Trump supporters ??

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Since I don't know how to embed a Tweet, I'm going to transcribe the whole thing here.  It's from Michael Harriot, senior writer for 'TheRoot.com'.  Be warned, it gets lengthy.
If you'd rather read it from the site I found it on, click here.  But again, be warned — since it's Twitter, it's broken down into 280-character chunks ... which means it's even lengthier over there.
Have you heard that one about coming together and political unity after an insurrection?

A thread:

One time, after a contentious election, there was a group of angry white people.  Because of their "economic anxiety," they refused to acknowledge the president.  But THEIR economic anxiety was really white supremacy.

NO, I'm not talking about 2020. This was the election of 1860.

Lincoln wanted to ignore these racist idiots but — I don't know if you've heard about this — racists aren't known for their "letting-shit-go" qualities.  Very few people who own muskets and handlebar mustaches are described as "pretty chill dudes."  Look it up.

So they kicked out the Southern senators for engaging "in a conspiracy for the destruction" of the government and not telling anyone that there was a conspiracy.

Didn't I just say this wasn't 2020?

The racists were SOOO angry that they decided that they would rather not be a part of America if they couldn't rape, kill, and own black people.  So they decided to attack a federal building:

NO, THIS IS NOT 2020!  This was the insurrection at Fort Sumter, not the Capitol Building.

And I know you're saying: "To call the Civil War a white supremacist insurrection is a reach.  Confederates weren't white supremacists!  They just wanted the South to keep control of their slaves."

Maybe you're right.  Let's see what a dictionary says:
  • white supremacist
    def of white supremacist:  a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races.
    insurrection
    def of insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.
I know:  Facts are bullshit.  But let's move on.

Anyway, during this white supremacist insurrection, they came to an agreement.  Basically, they would shoot each other in the face, but they would exchange prisoners of war, like 'gentlemen'.

Yes, racists can be 'gentlemen'.  Remember how the 'gentlemen' used to spit on 12-year-old black kids when they were integrating their schools?  Remember how some forced labor camps (y'all call 'em "plantations") knew "bright baby season" was five-six months after a white woman gave birth?

What's "bright baby season?"  Well, 'gentlemen' who couldn't have sex with their pregnant wives would just sexually assault their human property.  Six months after a white woman had a baby, mixed enslaved kids would be born because... 'Gentlemen'.

BTW, if I haven't mentioned it:  Fuck that Confederate flag.  It's not just a racist flag.  It LITERALLY stands for legal rapists.

Anyway, these 'gentlemen' were cool with the exchanges at first.  Then, something happened that outraged the Southern gentlemen.  Black people started kicking their Confederate asses.

The Confederates argued that Negroes fighting was not gentleman-like.  They LITERALLY called it "uncivilized."  Yes, the traitor/rapist/racist dudes said that!

So, Lincoln said:  "Well, if you won't give the black soldiers back, we won't give NUNNA y'all's soldiers back!"

And this is one of my favorite factoids about the Civil War.  You know what the Confederate prisoners did?  A LOT of these bitch-made white boys, talking about "heritage" and "southern honor", just JOINED THE UNION ARMY!!!!   HA-HA-HA!!!

A musket and a mustache can't make a coward brave.

Anyway, Lincoln issues an executive order saying that if the South kills any black soldiers, the North will kill a white soldier.  If the Confederates send a black soldier to slavery, the Union will sentence a white soldier to hard labor.

Now there is one other thing:  Technically, the Union could have killed ALL the Confederates because they were guilty of treason.  But you know... unity.

On April 12, 1864, Confederate forces moved in on Fort Pillow.  There war about 500-600 Union soldiers there — half black, half white. All the white dudes were fairly new, but the black dudes were from two artillery units (I think that means the black dudes got to choose the radio station).

About 10 am, they noticed 1,500 white dudes show up in the parking lot.  As soon as they pulled up... a sniper (probably Jamaal) shot the Confederate leader's horse out from under him.  Aw hell no!

They started fighting and the Union leader was killed.  The Confederate dude told them to surrender, but guess what happened?
Somebody shot his horse AGAIN!

The Union refused to surrender.  The fighting restarted.  Somebody shot the dude's horse AGAIN!  (Where TF is he getting spare horses?  Horsemart?  Horse Depot?)  But they were outnumbered.  The Union had to surrender.

The Confederates captured the surrendering soldiers and then... they SLAUGHTERED ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE.  All of them.  Three hundred fifty souls.  A massacre.

When the public heard about this they were furious.  Lincoln's cabinet thought they should just kill 350 white dudes, like his 'Order of Retaliation' said.  But Lincoln was soft on war crimes.  He wanted "unity" and he wanted to move forward.

So after the Civil War, some "Radicals" wanted to hold the traitors responsible — AT LEAST the ones who committed war crimes.  They passed a bill that punished them.  Lincoln vetoed it.  Then he pardoned most of them.

Now of all the people who were pardoned, the Fort Pillow massacre guy was the most egregious.  Not only was he a traitor, but he was a murderer and a war criminal.  By all accounts, he should have been killed, raised from the dead, and killed again (like a horse, apparently).

Instead, he just went home.  Like all the Confederates.  Like all the traitors at the Capitol.  Like white people get to do ALL THE TIME.  And those Confederates carried out the longest sustained period of racial terrorism in American history.

The Confederate soldiers made up the KKK.  They were the ones who massacred black people during Reconstruction.  They were the ones who fought a war for white supremacy in the South.  AND THEY WON.

The Compromise of 1877 was essentially this:  "We know y'all killed so many black voters and stole an election.  But if you let our boy win, we will let y'all treat black people however you want."

"However you want" is now called "Jim Crow."

It is impossible to say if punishing ex-Confederates would've prevented the terrorism.  But by not punishing those racist rape-murderers, the federal government legalized institutionalized racism AND gave organized terror cells a blank check.

And here's the thing:  THEY DID NOT UNITE SHIT.  THERE WAS NO PEACE.

Oh, white people were happy it was over...  but black people had to endure a terror campaign.  When they said "unity", they meant "white people united with other white people."  They meant "we get to keep doing what we were doing the whole time."  They meant "white people don't EVER EVER EVER have to face the consequences."  It means "Fuck Black Lives."

Even if they would have punished that ONE GUY they might have stopped a murder campaign and saved thousands of black people.

Well, maybe that's a reach... except for one thing:  That war criminal who was pardoned after Fort Pillow?  He was Nathan Bedford Forrest.  The first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

If you visit the Tennessee Statehouse, you can see how the state of Tennessee honors this racist, white supremacist criminal EVERY DAY.

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Of course, he's a 'gentleman'.
And "unity" means "fuck black people."
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In case anyone was wondering how the insurrection was allowed to happen:

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Apparently all of the NG troops were intended to be strictly decorative in the face of an armed insurrection.
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Bicycle Bill wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:11 pm
Since I don't know how to embed a Tweet, I'm going to transcribe the whole thing here.  
And much of the "whole thing" was alternative facts. I agree with the sentiment but warping history ruins the validity of the argument.

Right from the start:

Lincoln "wanted to ignore" - false

Southern Senators were not "thrown out" of Congress; they withdrew themselves as their states seceded.
The discussion then was whether their seats still existed and what to do about that OR should the seats be declared non-existent and their names removed from the roll? The latter view prevailed.

Moving on: "they slaughtered all the black people". Numbers are imprecise but of approx. 300 Union dead, about 200 were blacks, which means 100 of the massacred were not. 58 blacks were taken prisoner. The point is in the disparity: only 20% (some sources 35%) of black soldiers survived versus 60% (some sources 70%) of white soldiers. Forrest's Tennesseans seem to have had deadly grudges against both blacks and Bradford's Tennessee Cavalry in the Union army. Although not equally.

And so on. My point is not that there is any excuse for Southern policies and actions; nor is it to deny the horribly disparate treatment based on race and so on.

I am concerned that teaching falsehood is NOT the basis for truth. Indeed, it is exactly what Trump has done for the past four years and Gingrich et al before him. Hysterical distortions of fact serve no one well.
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I am concerned that teaching falsehood is NOT the basis for truth. Indeed, it is exactly what Trump has done for the past four years and Gingrich et al before him. Hysterical distortions of fact serve no one well.
Agreed, the distortions just result in more assholes in power. And the teaching of falsehoods just make many doubt everything which is taught. I still recall an argument I had with my high school history teacher who insisted the Emancipation Proclamation freed all the slaves; he became incensed when I insisted it did not and that it only freed slaves in the CSA, where Lincoln had no real power to do anything. I pointed out that the US still had slaves (in the so-called "border states") which were not freed until after an amendment to the Constitution was passed abolishing slavery several years later. He clearly should have known better, but it disrupted the narrative he built up in his mind so he refused to accept it.

History is rarely black and white, and historical figures are rarely all good or all bad. It makes sense to teach that, rather than a pat winners' or ;psers' narrative, but few want to hear it.

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I am concerned that teaching falsehood is NOT the basis for truth. Indeed, it is exactly what Trump has done for the past four years and Gingrich et al before him. Hysterical distortions of fact serve no one well.
Agreed, the distortions just result in more assholes in power. And the teaching of falsehoods just make many doubt everything which is taught. I still recall an argument I had with my high school history teacher who insisted the Emancipation Proclamation freed all the slaves; he became incensed when I insisted it did not and that it only freed slaves in the CSA, where Lincoln had no real power to do anything. I pointed out that the US still had slaves (in the so-called "border states") which were not freed until after an amendment to the Constitution was passed abolishing slavery several years later. He clearly should have known better, but it disrupted the narrative he built up in his mind so he refused to accept it.

History is rarely black and white, and historical figures are rarely all good or all bad. It makes sense to teach that, rather than a pat winners' or losers' narrative, but few want to hear it.

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Probably that high school history teacher majored in education rather than history.
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Likely true, but then those education majors are the only exposure to history that many in the US get, and th elast thing they want to do is deal with a smart ass who dare to challenge the book/materials they are using.

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Who is this Ince and what's all this fuss about his erection?

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Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:35 am
Republican Ties to Extremist Groups Are Under Scrutiny

Before being elected to Congress last year, Ms. Greene used social media in 2019 to endorse executing top Democrats and has suggested that the 2018 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., was a staged “false flag” attack. The liberal group Media Matters for America reported on Thursday that Ms. Greene also speculated on Facebook in 2018 that California wildfires might have been started by lasers from space, promoting a theory pushed by followers of QAnon.
I didn't know that there were still people who believed this. According to Vice.com one survivor's dad believes that his son and all his classmates were paid actors. Assholes like Marjorie Taylor Greene are a bugger (typo but I think I'll leave it alone) threat to democracy that all the drug dealers and gang-bangers and murderers out there.

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Re: How to know when the insurrection starts.

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I’m currently watching officers from the Capitol police and metropolitan PD giving testimony to the House select committee on the insurrection.

It is fucking heartbreaking.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan

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