There's a difference between winning a debate and "winning over" dumbasses. .......
Other than some talking heads on TV panicking over Biden's performance, I don't see the debate changing anyone's mind. The dumbasses were already going to vote for Trump (my apologies to any dumbasses in the room).
I don't know what people expected from Biden. Did they think he was going to knock out Trump? What I saw was Trump lying as usual and Biden being Biden.
If democrats are planning on replacing Biden they better hurry up and find someone better than him. Otherwise, support him and quit whining about it.
Well, despite what some of the pundits said, I think it's way too late to consider replacing Biden; they had 4 years to think of a replacement and no one came to the forefront. It' a bit sad to think these are the best candidates we could get for the office of president, but it does appear to be true. My only disappointment was Biden was being even more "Biden" than usual. The man is fairly smart and can string a phrase together, but last night he seemed tired and distracted, and his answers were sometimes difficult to follow. Most people already know who they are going to vote for (or are at least leaning heavily toward one or the other), but the concern is that Biden did not do a lot to attract the undecided voters, and may deter others who lean toward him from voting at all (although if 4 more years of Trump does not get them to the polls, I don't know what would). I expected more from him, but maybe he really did the best he could--he never was a spellbinder.
I didn’t watch the debate and I’m not going to inflict that on myself. I was momentarily alarmed by the drama queens on pundit TV, however now I’ve seen some reaction from voters and I don’t think it is going to make a difference.
Biden was very good today in addressing the bad debate performance and people can see what a liar and POS Trump is and how he will crush women’s rights and the rights of all the colorful and interesting people in favor of right wing nutjobs so if they vote for him or don’t get their asses off the couch to vote against him then they get what they deserve I guess.
I’m just along for the ride.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
I didn’t watch the debate and I’m not going to inflict that on myself.
Biden's performance last night is pretty much what I expected. In my opinion, people are too focused on his physical performance than they are on what he actually says and believes in. I see Biden's administration as people with a common goal who are working to accomplish good things for this country. Even if Biden were to step down after being elected, I believe the things he wants to accomplish would still be carried out by his staff and his replacement.
On the other hand, Trump's goal is to empower himself as much as possible. He doesn't listen to anyone unless they are agreeing with him or heaping praise on him. It's sickening. I wish MAGA people could see through all of his BS. Anyone who believes Trump is a God-fearing warrior for the people is either stupid or are millionaires supporting him for their own potential financial benefit.
I wasn't discouraged at all by Biden's performance at the debate. The format didn't serve him well. He is still much more knowledgeable and smarter than Trump. It appeared to me that Jake Tapper and Dana Bash were so afraid of being called biased that they inadvertently helped Trump look better than he was. I would have liked to see some real time fact checking but anyone who has been following Trump would have known when he was lying.
The fact that so many people support Trump has proven to me once again that George Carlin was right when he said, “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
I don't know what people expected from Biden. Did they think he was going to knock out Trump? What I saw was Trump lying as usual and Biden being Biden.
The fact that so many people support Trump has proven to me once again that George Carlin was right when he said, “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
^^^^^(And this, too!)^^^^^
People who are wrong are just as sure they're right as people who are right. The only difference is, they're wrong.
— God@The Tweet of God
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
As a non-citizen I don't vote of course but I do feel as if I have a dog in this fight. Maybe I should have become a citizen long ago and I did think about it earlier this year specifically so I could vote against Trump (not that it would signify here in KY) but it takes a year so I never could have done it in time. Too late now.
I watched on CNN. To me the most telling statistic was a poll they conducted after the debate - I don't know the poll size - will you change your vote based on the debate? My recollection was 85% 'no' and 15% 'maybe'. And even if those 'maybe' voters in the end split in 90% 'I'll stick with the one I came with' and 10% change and if they are all potential Biden voters (I really can't see any Trump voter deciding to abandon him on the basis of the debate) that means Biden loses 3% of his vote.
If I voted, frankly Biden could have been propped up with a stick up his ass and voiced by Dana Carvey and I'd still vote for the guy if the alternative were Trump. But 3%? If that is in some of the battleground states he won last time such as PA and MI and GS and AZ then Franklin's 'A republic - if you can keep it' will turn out to be prophetic.
It seems to me that only two strategies have a chance. (a) Replace Biden ASAP but with whom? Personally I like Harris and Beshear - our D governor here in KY which is so red it's maroon - in either order. Or (b) everyone gets behind Biden with a full throated positive about what he has done and what he will continue to do, and keeps that up for the next 4 months. If you vote for Biden you get his team of financial and domestic policy and foreign relations experts whom he listens to. Inflation is a worldwide problem and (i) we have largely conquered it here compared to other OECD countries (ii) much of inflation is due to greedy opportunists (exhibit A - corporate profits are at a record high - why else is DJIA at record levels?) and (iii) nowhere - nowhere - is food pricing 3x or 4x what it was (which is what Trump said) in the debate. Vote for Trump and he listens to no-one but himself. Forget the 34 felonies. There is some validity (not much) to the politically motivated prosecution argument. Remember January 6 and E Jean Carroll and screwing Stormy while Melania was pregnant and hitting up GA to find 11800 votes, and all those upstanding citizens at Charlottesville. And climate change is NOT a Chinese hoax.
Republicans are salivating over this controversy over Biden at the debate.
This is the same Biden everyone praised to high heaven a few months ago after SOTU address.
He has a cold, and he just finished two arduous international diplomacy trips. And he was met with a water cannon of lies and insanity.
Biden is the nominee. He’s beaten Trump once and he can beat him again. Democrats need to chill out and stay the course as Congressman Clyburn said.
Joe is a good president. Four more years!
I know that, BSG. You know that. But for four more years - which we both want - he has to get elected. And I will have my Biden Harris sign on the lawn and will endure the pitying looks of my neighbors. And Larry will come by as I am cutting the grass and say - "If society breaks down, come on over. I have guns."
But we all know that Trump needs 12,000 votes in Georgia and 200,000 votes in MN and 150,000 in MI and 80,000 in PA. All it needs is for those people to sit on their hands come Election Day - and be in no doubt, many will - and Trump 2.0 is a reality.
Many people are blaming the press. He did what he did and we all saw it. I like Biden. I think he has been a good president. But enough people think that he won't - self-inflicted - that he will not be elected. And that's a problem. If he did not understand that Trump would come out lying and keep lying then he, and / or his advisers, are just plain foolish. CNN didn't do that.
The fact that so many people support Trump has proven to me once again that George Carlin was right when he said, “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
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-"BB"-
Yes, I suppose I could agree with you ... but then we'd both be wrong, wouldn't we?
Considering "The morals of an alley cat.." that is now irrelevant it has been ever since the Democrats Senate refused to convict Bill Clinton. When that happened it was a wakeup call for non-Liberals, if they remained moralistic that would give the communists and radical liberals and democrats an advantage; so now it doesn't matter what a politician does in his private life. That is none of our business and should not be discussed.
I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.
“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
Jim Wright at Stonekettle blog now has an interesting description of the debate. Biden could not win--it was an entertainment, a performance. It was never about who has the best policy on anything. I like the description above on the English view of Trump. It was actually published back during Trumps reign. Jim Wright does have some hints about how to handle Trump in such a debate. I am pretty sure there will be another one.
For once Liberty is not wrong: the failure by Dems to take action against Clinton created a precedent. I'm not sure what action they could have taken - I don't think it amounted to a high crime. Some sort of censure and major expression of contempt for this private action might have been appropriate. And yes, it was certainly a byproduct of the Whitewater investigation in which there was no 'there' there. The Rs who controlled Congress are determined to find something. All the same Clinton's conduct with Ms Lewinsky was reprehensible. And I am assuming that the perjury / Paula Jones stuff was made up.
I'm one of those who thinks that Ds need to find another candidate. In many ways Biden 'won' the debate because he spoke the truth while Trump just had a firehose of mendacity, obfuscation and just invented shit. If anyone should resign as candidate based on the debate it should be Trump. But that is not going to happen, To me the most interesting statistic soon after the debate from CNN was their Insta-Poll which had 15% of voters thinking about changing their minds. Assuming they were all Biden votes (I simply cannot see Trumpites changing their vote based on the debate) and assuming that the country is split 50:50 then roughly 30% of Biden voters are now unsure. Now some of those were undoubtedly independents and some were don't-knows and some will no doubt stick with Biden - but IMO enough Biden voters will sit on their hands and gift 2024 to Trump.
It doesn't matter how much I think Biden 2.0 might do a good job: if he isn't elected it's moot.
