Terrorist Blonde Woman Rams ICE Vehicle!!

[Scooter]

I can't remember where I saw someone making the point, that even if a car is being aimed at an LEO, shooting the driver is not going to save their life, because the car will still be coming at them regardless, except completely out of control because, you know, dead driver at the wheel. So the only useful move is to just get the fuck out of the path of the car.

[Burning Petard]

Joe Guy, thank you for giving us this video connection. I saw similar material on the CBS national news, but here I can stop it and look carefully. This is the first time I have noted the bullet hole in the windshield. That is important. It indicates that shot was fired from the side, not in front of the vehicle. Two other shots were through the open driver's side window. The agent who fired the shots can be seen fumbling, perhaps stumbling, as he returns his pistol and the video recording device he is holding in each hand to their storage positions. Read some of the many comments from Massad Ayoob about the physiological process when a human is engaged in a sudden high threat situation. They lose a great deal of their peripheral vision and fine motor coordination, unless they have had alot of experience in such situations. For cops, that means firing hundreds of rounds of ammunition in high stress such as major competion with big prize money, or maybe their pay grade at risk, not a class room and then an hour or two on the range. One would expect him to have difficulties moving gracefully after such an experience. After he manages this -- WHAT THE HELL! He walks away, gets in his car and leaves. What procedure in any government organization lets the shooter leave without even a basic interview? Nobody took his pistol as evidence. Even the military requires an after-action report.

Nobody is above the law. I have a hard time typing that line without giggling, or perhaps crying for what our government has become. Because we, the sovereign people, have allowed it.

snailgate.

[liberty]

I saw nothing new. It wasn’t as clear as the video clip I saw that was taken from an elevated position, showing a front view of the passenger side of the vehicle. I saw him move away as if he had been bounced back; in a later scene, from the rear, he appeared to be limping. Unfortunately, I did not have my VDR set up to record that day.

But the larger issue is that they were in a state of war. Why do you think the agents are wearing masks? They’re doing it to protect their families from clandestine attacks, or perhaps kidnappings or murders, either by the Mexican cartels or their left‑wing allies. The left is fighting a low‑intensity insurgency, and in situations like that, the first casualty is always the truth; propaganda becomes dominant, and the truth becomes the first casualty.

What will we see next; ambushes of the U.S. military and Border Patrol on the southern border?

[BoSoxGal]

[Joe Guy]

I saw nothing new. It wasn’t as clear as the video clip I saw that was taken from an elevated position, showing a front view of the passenger side of the vehicle. I saw him move away as if he had been bounced back; in a later scene, from the rear, he appeared to be limping. Unfortunately, I did not have my VDR set up to record that day.

So you didn't see Ross get hit but you assume that he did. And did you miss the part where he walked toward the vehicle of the woman he had just killed?

But the larger issue is that they were in a state of war. Why do you think the agents are wearing masks?......

Should your local and state police wear masks?

[Big RR]

But the larger issue is that they were in a state of war. Why do you think the agents are wearing masks? They’re doing it to protect their families from clandestine attacks, or perhaps kidnappings or murders, either by the Mexican cartels or their left‑wing allies

I presume you're being facetious; I can't believe you think that. Police fight against criminal elements all day and do not resort to masks to hide their identities; ditto for real soldiers in real war zones. And FWIW, the right and the government, especially the CIA, are far more allied with the cartels than any left wing group in the US.

[BoSoxGal]

[ex-khobar Andy]

Lib told us:

. . . you’re going to say that undocumented immigrants don’t collect Social Security; well, they do when they become citizens, regardless of how little they paid in.

As a non-citizen who collects SS - it is entirely dependent on how much I paid in over my working life, how long I delayed claiming, etc. The same rules as any fully fledged citizen.

[Big RR]

And those non citizens who lack legal status cannot collect as they do not get social security numbers and cannot participate in the program. And even if they later acquire legal status and become part of the program they do not get the benefit of those earlier payments and still need to work the required number of quarters to be eligible to later collect.

[Burning Petard]

Those illegals using fake SS cards, are actually paying into accounts of real people who will benefit from that foreign worker in the meat packing plant paying into their account.

Enjoy your boneless chicken thighs from the super market.

snailgate.

[liberty]

Lib told us:

. . . you’re going to say that undocumented immigrants don’t collect Social Security; well, they do when they become citizens, regardless of how little they paid in.

As a non-citizen who collects SS - it is entirely dependent on how much I paid in over my working life, how long I delayed claiming, etc. The same rules as any fully fledged citizen.

It’s estimated that the trust fund will go broke in nine years. What then? I suspect that you, like me, and like most average people, will take out many times more than you ever put in. The people who really support the system are those making under $176,000 a year, and there’s a finite number of them. If the number of people at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder keeps growing while the top remains small, the system will collapse sooner.

[liberty]

But the larger issue is that they were in a state of war. Why do you think the agents are wearing masks? They’re doing it to protect their families from clandestine attacks, or perhaps kidnappings or murders, either by the Mexican cartels or their left‑wing allies

I presume you're being facetious; I can't believe you think that. Police fight against criminal elements all day and do not resort to masks to hide their identities; ditto for real soldiers in real war zones. And FWIW, the right and the government, especially the CIA, are far more allied with the cartels than any left wing group in the US.

Only somewhat facetious for dramatic effect but make no mistake: I wouldn’t be surprised if ICE agents or even their families were targeted someday. The cartels in Mexico have no problem killing police officers, and that is a documented reality. American criminal organizations often treat arrest as just another cost of doing business. However, ICE agents are dealing with a completely different dynamic.

My point is that ICE agents understand the risks, and they take no chances with the safety of their families. The danger they face is real.

What worries me is the intensity of the political climate here. Some activists on the far left see their cause as a moral crusade. They don’t view federal agents as people doing a job, but as symbols of something they believe is evil, Nazis. When someone convinces themselves, they are fighting “evil,” it becomes easier for them to justify extreme actions if they believe they can get away with it.

That is the concern I am raising—not a prediction, but a warning about how heated rhetoric can escalate.

[Big RR]

They don’t view federal agents as people doing a job, but as symbols of something they believe is evil, Nazis.

And sadly the behavior of the ICE agents reinforces this. You can detail illegal aliens without coming in as an armed mob and treating them like shit; sure, some may try to flee, but otherwise the vast majority pose no real danger to the agents. But slamming them again cars, putting your feet on them on the ground, terrorizing women and children is not security or policing--it is something much more dangerous; but Treump and his minions love it. They could tone down the thuggish behavior and likely not prompt the backlash, but I don't see that happening; and, as you correctly point out, "it becomes easier for them to justify extreme actions if they believe they can get away with it", and with Trump and Noem at the helm, they know they can.

Again, if you want to deport people, do so; but don't come in like storm troopers and give them due process and a fair trial; two things the Trump adminsitration want so make sure never happens,

[Scooter]

When demonizing the victim isn't working for you, go after her widow. At least some federal prosecutors are demonstrating some integrity. Thin edge of the wedge?

3 Prosecutors Quit After Push to Investigate ICE Shooting Victim’s Widow

Three Minnesota federal prosecutors resigned over the Justice Department’s push to investigate the widow of a woman killed by an ICE agent and its reluctance to investigate the shooter, according to people with knowledge of their decision.

Joseph H. Thompson, who was second in command at the U.S. attorney’s office and oversaw a sprawling fraud investigation that has roiled Minnesota’s political landscape, was among those who quit Tuesday, according to three people with knowledge of the decision.

Mr. Thompson’s resignation came after senior Justice Department officials pressed for a criminal investigation into the actions of the widow of Renee Nicole Good, the Minneapolis woman killed by an ICE agent last Wednesday.

Mr. Thompson, 47, a career prosecutor, objected to that approach as well as to the Justice Department’s refusal to include state officials in investigating whether the shooting itself was lawful, the people familiar with his decision said.

Two other senior career prosecutors, Harry Jacobs and Melinda Williams, also resigned on Tuesday. Mr. Jacobs had been Mr. Thompson’s deputy overseeing the fraud investigation, which began in 2022. Mr. Thompson, Mr. Jacobs and Ms. Williams declined to discuss the reasons they resigned.

The fraud cases — which involve schemes to defraud safety net programs managed by state agencies — were the chief reason the Trump administration launched an immigration crackdown in the state. The vast majority of defendants charged in the cases are of Somali origin.

Tuesday’s resignations followed tumultuous days at the U.S. attorney’s office in Minnesota as prosecutors struggled to manage the outrage over Ms. Good’s killing, which set off angry protests in Minnesota and across the nation.

[Scooter]

[Scooter]

They are using Nazi slogans verbatim to justify collective punishment.

[BoSoxGal]

The latest reports are from 12,000-20,000 Iranian protestors killed by the regime in their crackdown on protesters the last couple of days.

Don’t think that if Christofascists continue to take control here it couldn’t happen to us, too. The only thing that stands between us and that fate is Donald Trump’s own morality, you heard him say it.

[Scooter]

[MajGenl.Meade]

But the larger issue is that they were in a state of war.

What worries me is the intensity of the political climate here. Some activists on the far left see their cause as a moral crusade. They don’t view federal agents as people doing a job, but as symbols of something they believe is evil, Nazis

lib, try very hard to put your two ideas together - each one informing the other. Yes, the forces pursuing and enacting the Trump administration agenda (politically, socially, economically, etc) are indeed "in a state of war". It is a war against the American people, America itself and the Constitutional Republic for which we stand.

All who oppose this organized government attack on America understand that these forces are not "people doing their job" but are active and willing tools of oppression and usurpation of justice. Such people (ICE etc) are morally and actually wrong.

All who enact the Trump administration's fight against America are indeed evil and must be opposed by Americans who value freedom, justice and honor above their own lives. Even you and I might one day stand together against this treasonous assault by admirers of Nazi slogans and methods. I pray it will not be too late.