USA & Israel launch illegal war on Iran

[ex-khobar Andy]

I suppose it is true to say that the world is a better place without Khamenei thus justifying his killing

Can't argue with the first part; I won't miss him. But, "justifying his killing"? I know recent US presidents have enjoyed flexing their muscle targetting people they didn't like for murder, but it is hardly justified.

That was the point I was making.

Apart from anything else, Ford's EO of 50 years ago is still in force. Ford was horrified of course by Kennedy's murder and some of the outlandish theories (CIA involvement etc) which were being promulgated, and by the accounts of CIA plots to kill Castro. (I seem to remember exploding cigars.). In February 1976 Ford ordered that "no employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination." Subsequent presidents (Carter and Reagan) removed the word 'political' but the substance remained in force and both Bushes and Clinton left it in place.

Presidential Executive Orders remain in place until specifically revoked unless there was a time limit imposed on the original EO.

[BoSoxGal]

Apparently some of our military are being told this is a holy war. Gotta love Christofascists!

https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/u ... medium=web

[Big RR]

They can say what they want, but I doubt ,anyone who didn't buy it, buys it now. But face it, in every war the name of god (by whatever name (s)he is known) is invoked by all sides, and the troops are told they are doing god's work. It's pretty much a requirement

But you just can't make these things up.

[BoSoxGal]

https://tinyview.com/this-modern-world/ ... DEQ2NFjRGA

[liberty]

https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/03/03/ ... don-jesus/
This smells like a smear job. I was in the military, and I find it hard to believe that their names wouldn’t be leaked. I don’t think commanders would do this. No general officer or field‑grade officer is going to put his career at risk with language like that. This doesn’t smell right.

[liberty]

https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/03/03/ ... don-jesus/
This smells like a smear job. I was in the military, and I find it hard to believe that their names wouldn’t be leaked. I don’t think commanders would do this. No general officer or field‑grade officer is going to put his career at risk with language like that. This doesn’t smell right.

[Big RR]

You could be right Lib, but I have known some very stupid colonels and generals, so any idiocy they might say doesn't surprise me. Add to that the likelihood that some of them are evanglicals who zealously believe the approach of Armageddon and the signs, etc. and would not be shy about proselytizing.

And, as I said above, we have always cloaked our combat with the mantle of doing god's work, from Washington's frequent invocations of the revolution was a righteous cause endorsed by God (or Providence), to Lincoln's frequent mention of the name of God in justifying his actions, to FDR's frequent prayers to invoke God for our cause... Someone making a more pointed invocation doesn't surprise me.

[Burning Petard]

Mr., Liberty, you need to do a little of your own research as to what fundamentalist christians have been doing at the US Air Force Academy since before the beginning of this century

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[liberty]

When I was in the Air Force, the most you’d usually encounter in terms of religion was another member inviting you to their church, and that was it. Proselytizing in the military violates regulations. That’s one issue. The other is that Congress approves promotions for general officers, and you never know which party will dominate Congress or what they’ll decide to do. Religious proselytizing could jeopardize a colonel’s opportunity to make general, and I think most of them would cut off their right arm before they risk that. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I just don’t see it.

[Joe Guy]

[Scooter]

https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/03/03/ ... don-jesus/
This smells like a smear job.

Hmmmm



Let the record show that the village idiot believes over 110 members of the military stationed at over 30 bases conspired to tell the exact same lie.

Is that the esteem that our alleged veteran holds for those who wear the uniform? To accuse them of lying?

Pathetic loser.

eta - the tally is now over 200 calls from over 50 bases.

Here's one email received. Is this soldier lying, village idiot?

From: (Active Duty Military NCO and MRFF Client’s email address withheld)
Subject: Unit combat readiness briefing and Armageddon
Date: March 2, 2026 at 1:02:53 PM MST
To: Information Weinstein <mikey@militaryreligiousfreedom.org>

Mr. Weinstein thank you for taking my calls and the calls of some of my colleagues as to what happened earlier this morning with our combat unit.

Please protect my identity and the identities of those I’m speaking for as we discussed.

Our unit is not currently in the combat zone AOR regarding the Iranian attacks but we are in a “Ready-Support” function where we could be deployed there at any moment to join and augment the combat operations as participants.

I am a (NCO rank withheld) in our unit. This morning our commander opened up the combat readiness status briefing by urging us to not be “afraid” as to what is happening with our combat operations in Iran right now. He urged us to tell our troops that this was “all part of God’s divine plan” and he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ. He said that “President Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth”. He had a big grin on his face when he said all of this which made his message seem even more crazy. Our commander would probably be described as a “Christian First” supporter. He has been this way for a very long time and makes it clear that he desires all of us under him to become just like him as a Christian. But what he did this morning was so toxic and over the line that it shocked many of us in attendance at the ops readiness briefing. Besides myself I am reaching out to MRFF on behalf of 15 fellow troops. I know you asked me about the religious views of our group who has requested help from the MRFF. I can only tell you that I am Christian and at least 10 of the others are also Christians. One of the others is Jewish and one is Muslim. I don’t know the religious or non-religious status for the other three at this time.

I and my fellow troops know that it is completely wrong to have to suffer through what our commander said today. It’s not just the separation of church and state as we discussed Mr. Weinstein. It’s the fact that our commander feels as though he is fully supported and justified by the entire (combat unit’s name withheld) chain of command to inflict his Armageddon views of our attack on Iran on those of us beneath him in the chain of command.

I hope by sending this email to you that this will help expose these wrong actions which destroy morale and unit cohesion and are in violation of the oaths we swore to support the constitution.

[Big RR]

Proselytizing in the military violates regulations

I believe you are correct so "proselytizing" is not the correct word--it has never been against regulations to invoke the almighty, or providence, or whatever to inspire the troops to action, and this might be viewed as more of the same. It would not surprise me, nor do I think it would adversely affect upper level officers" careers. There are plenty for idiots in the upper level field grade and general level officers, but with the right connections they progress. They may never progress to the joints chiefs of staff, but I can think of three major and lieutenant generals I got to know who make Trump seem like a Rhodes Scholar. There are some very good people in the military, even among the senior ranks, but there are plenty like them. It's why so many captains and majors leave.

[Burning Petard]

From my time as an enlisted man when officially we were not shooting at anybody, just 'preparing', I perceived there were two types who stayed and made a career of the military: Very stupid who recognized the formal procedures of the military organization gave them a security and a release from personal responsibility for their own decisions that they could not find in civilian life, and the very smart who recognized that the first group meant they themselves had a big advantage in the pursuit of advancement. I also saw that the second group also divided itself in time, in self protection as they worked with the first group: some went crazy, some became drunks.

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[liberty]

The loss of six soldiers is a sad reality of military service. All service members understand that their profession carries real danger, and in any conflict, people can be killed. That is an unavoidable truth, and no one in uniform is unaware of it.

The broader situation with Iran is complex, serious, and unpredictable. In my personal opinion, preventing the spread of nuclear weapons is extremely important, and it is essential that Iran—at least under its current regime—never attains such weapons. Regardless of political affiliation, if the mullahs were to obtain nuclear weapons, the world would become increasingly dangerous for you, your children, and your grandchildren. The concern is that the Iranian leadership is hostile, religiously extreme, and unpredictable. That is an intolerable and unacceptable situation, and we simply cannot allow it to happen.

[Big RR]

it is essential that Iran—at least under its current regime—never attains such weapons

Perhaps, but then I've heard since the W administration that Iran was weeks away from that, sometimes also alleging they had plans in effect to get them to the US. But this has not happened--why do you think the threat calls for military action now--especially when we only have the word of a president who doesn't know what "truth" means. And while I think Israel could have better intelligence in the middle east, I also think they would not hesitate to attack Iran solely for the reason that they don't want them to be a concern, whether a risk exists or not. But Trump feels we (and Congress) should just take his word--and that means very little (especially when he wants a distraction from all the crap he is doing).

[Burning Petard]

Stop spread of Nuclear weapons? Why would one think the present USofA Commander in Chief can be trusted with them?

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