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Mrs Watson, 55, leapt to the defence of her colleague with the help of Cane, and soon scared him off.

Mrs Watson said: 'I told him he was having nothing and I grabbed him.

'My assistant was shouting and screaming by now. I then saw the craft knife and told him: 'So you want to play with knives do you?'

'We had a good old scrap and I think he cut his hand on the knife.
I'm sure there are some candy asses who wouldn't have the guts in a month of Sundays to do what this lady did, who will sneer at her courage....

But personally, in a world increasingly populated by self absorbed "I don't want to get involved" types, it's nice to see that there are still some people with some guts and gumption...

(I do however think she may have shaved off a year or two or ten when she told the reporter that she was "55".... 8-) )
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Question:

Is Pepper Spray or Mace legal in the UK?

It is in CA for anyone over 18.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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I would doubt it. It is illegal here. The only thing I am legally allowed to carry for protection is a whistle or an air horn.
Bah!

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What about a pocket knife or bowie knife (non concealed)? Even hunting knives are allowed in NY as long as they are not concealed. Heck, a screwdriver makes an effective weapon.

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Nope. Those are weapons. I can carry a whistle or an air horn for protection.
Bah!

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Carry a tool box with a screw driver in it, or a hammer, or a hatchet...
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is

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The Hen wrote:Nope. Those are weapons. I can carry a whistle or an air horn for protection.
A pocket knife (like a Swiss Army knife) is considered a weapon? Or is it only considered a weapon when used as one? If that's the case even a belt can't be carried, nor a pen/pencil, or at least you can't use them even if your life is being taken away from you by force.

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A cabbie attacked Gob with his car...
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is

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Well ban cars (or cabs). :loon

Everyone should be forced to drive a whistle.

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...and protect themselves wit'it.

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oldr_n_wsr wrote:
The Hen wrote:Nope. Those are weapons. I can carry a whistle or an air horn for protection.
A pocket knife (like a Swiss Army knife) is considered a weapon? Or is it only considered a weapon when used as one? If that's the case even a belt can't be carried, nor a pen/pencil, or at least you can't use them even if your life is being taken away from you by force.

I no longer carry a Swiss Army knife, a nail file, or nail scissors --- all of which are considered confiscable weapons at various places I visit regularly (courts, airports, certain government buildings).
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The folk at TSA ripped-off my Zippo lighter at Oaktown Airport several years ago.

I still smoke (cigars).

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Guinevere wrote:
oldr_n_wsr wrote:
The Hen wrote:Nope. Those are weapons. I can carry a whistle or an air horn for protection.
A pocket knife (like a Swiss Army knife) is considered a weapon? Or is it only considered a weapon when used as one? If that's the case even a belt can't be carried, nor a pen/pencil, or at least you can't use them even if your life is being taken away from you by force.

I no longer carry a Swiss Army knife, a nail file, or nail scissors --- all of which are considered confiscable weapons at various places I visit regularly (courts, airports, certain government buildings).
I can understand the placs you need to do business and/or travel not carrying a pocket knife, but being someone who does not have regular contact with these areas, I always have my swiss army knife with me (usually more than one). And I usually have my leatherman (multi-purpose tool) on my belt. These tools have proved quite usefull usually at least once a week.
And anyone of them can be used as a weapon. Hell, a nice old fashoined bic pen (not the clicky kind) can render an attacker blind or worse.

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Nope. Those are weapons. I can carry a whistle or an air horn for protection.
Oh that's a lovely law now, isn't it?

So while you're blowing your whistle, with a little luck maybe you can attract a half dozen others blowing their whistles...(they of course wont have any pocket knives either...those being "weapons")

That should give the mugger one very bad headache from all the whistle blowing...

He'll think twice about doing that again.... 8-)
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They have these new electronic 'body alarms' that can be friggin' LOUD. It'll drive the attacker away by shear noise; at 120dB, I'd want to get away from it too.

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Lord Jim wrote:
Nope. Those are weapons. I can carry a whistle or an air horn for protection.
Oh that's a lovely law now, isn't it?

So while you're blowing your whistle, with a little luck maybe you can attract a half dozen others blowing their whistles...(they of course wont have any pocket knives either...those being "weapons")
They had a repeat on Wait Wait today with Elvis Costello relating one of his pre-fame jobs as a security detail for armored car. His job was to blow a loud whistle if there was a robbery. He figured the thieves would know to shoot the guy with the whistle first thing, and the rest is rock and roll history.

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Another interesting case, I wonder what this one will throw out there..
A wealthy family man was arrested on suspicion of murder yesterday after allegedly stabbing a burglar to death with his own knife has been bailed until mid-October.

Businessman Vincent Cooke, 39, was relaxing when he heard a knock at the front door of his detached home.

When he answered he was confronted by two men, at least one armed with a knife, who allegedly threatened him and tried to force their way into the £350,000 house in the Cheshire stockbroker belt.


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With his wife and young son due home any minute, Mr Cooke fought desperately to keep the men out. In the struggle burglar Raymond Jacob, 37, was stabbed with his own knife and fell to the ground fatally injured. The second intruder fled.

Minutes later Mr Cooke’s wife, Karen, 35, and 12-year-old son Anthony arrived and watched in horror as the raider lay dying.

The incident happened in Bramhall, which boasts millionaire footballers, soap stars and TV presenters as residents.

It is the third time in six months that intruders have been stabbed to death by homeowners. The killings come after the Government pledged to bring in legislation which clarified the law on self-defence in England.

Justice Secretary Ken Clarke promised that householders who used ‘whatever force necessary’ on intruders in their homes would not be committing a criminal offence.

Mr Cooke, who runs a same day courier and logistics business, has been bailed today until October 17, Greater Manchester Police said.

He and his wife drive luxury cars, a gold Maserati and a silver Range Rover both with personalised registration plates, and detectives will be investigating whether they were targeted by the raiders for their wealth.

They will also examine whether the two men were known to Mr Cooke or had done business with him.

But sources close to the case were adamant that Mr Cooke is an ‘upstanding family man who was protecting his property and fearful for his family’s safety’.

A police source said last night: ‘At this moment it looks as if Mr Cooke was confronted at the door of his home by two men, at least one of whom was believed to have been armed with a knife. Officers are examining the possibility that the dead man was stabbed with this knife.’

Mr Jacob’s family were too upset to comment but they left floral tributes at the scene referring to him as ‘Ray’ and ‘Uncle Raymondo’.

One read: ‘Love you son, going to miss you more than anything. You mean the world to me. Love you loads, Dad.’

A note from his mother said: ‘To my baby boy who will always be my baby boy. I will miss you but never stop loving you, Mum.’

Another said: ‘To my gorgeous man Raymond. You may be gone but you will always be with me in my heart for ever. Love, your Stephanie.’

Mr Cooke was relaxing at his four-bedroom home at around 7.50pm on Saturday when the two men knocked at his door.

When he opened it, the raiders are understood to have pulled out at least one knife, threatened him and tried to force their way into the house.

A scuffle broke out and Raymond Jacob suffered a serious stab wound.

The second intruder is believed to have jumped into a white van and driven away at speed.

A 33-year-old man was arrested last night on suspicion of aggravated burglary and remains in police custody for questioning.

Neighbour John Griffin, 65, said: ‘Vinnie runs a courier company, he does a lot of importing, I think he goes to China quite a lot.

‘If I came home and found some scally in my house I’d do whatever I could to defend myself and my family. I’m sure Vinnie was doing the same.’

James Hutton, 81, said: ‘He’s just defending his home. If someone came into my home, I’d defend my wife. Your home is your castle.’

Dave Thompson, 43, said: ‘I used to see his wife Karen walking their two labradors down the road, and I’d say hello. It’s a shock, it’s horrible to think that something like this could happen.

‘But I’d have probably done the same thing, you’d be in fear of your own life. People breaking into other people’s homes deserve everything they get.’

Chief Superintendent Tim Forber of Greater Manchester Police said: ‘We believe the dead man was one of two men who were attempting to carry out a burglary at the house.’

He said he could not comment on whether the other raider was injured during the burglary.

The right to defend one’s property against intruders or burglars came to prominence in 1999 when farmer Tony Martin shot dead 16-year-old Fred Barras at his Norfolk home.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1YR5IE7X5
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Justice Secretary Ken Clarke promised that householders who used ‘whatever force necessary’ on intruders in their homes would not be committing a criminal offence.
Too bad that would not include the use of firearms.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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