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Ron Paul Storms Off CNN Set After Questioning Over Racist Newsletter

Ron Paul furrowed his eyebrows before storming off completely during a CNN interview addressing allegations that he made money and won fame with the help of a sometimes racist series of newsletters back in the 1990s. Paul is the same candidate that many have said has been ignored by the media -- some would say, though, he's not -- but since he's been climbing in the polls and suddenly appears to be a real contender in the Republican primary race, the media's turned up the heat. CNN's Gloria Borger was just starting to grill Paul about the details of his involvement in the racist newsletters, when the candidate stonewalled her. "Why don't you go back and look at what I said yesterday on CNN and what I’ve said for 20-something years. 22 years ago?" Paul said right at the outset. "I didn't write them, I disavow them, that's it."

Borger, like a good journalist, pressed on for a few seconds before urging Paul to react to what people are saying about the two-decade old allegations. "These things are pretty incendiary," Borger said. "Because of people like you," Paul snapped back, just before he pulled of his microphone and headed for the door. "I appreciate your answering the questions, and you understand it's our job to ask them," the reporter said, almost apologetically as Paul was leaving.

Later, when talking about the incident on air, Situation Room host Wolf Blitzer suggested that Paul "got tired of talking about" the allegations. "He clearly thinks it's irrelevant," Borger told Blitzer. "It’s clearly a question he’d rather not be asked."
http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-storms-o ... 43698.html

Quite a tap dance:



This is the kind of scrutiny you get when you're a supposedly top tier player for a major party's Presidential nomination, Ron. It comes with the territory....
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As I said about Paul and ehy I fear his nomination he's got something for everyone and everyone ignores what they don't want to hear (see: Liberals and Obama)
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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No "teflon coating"....I suppose.

Look at all the crup the media threw at Reagan during his campaign and tenure.

I like RP on certain issues, but there's not a snowball's chance in h#ll that he'll be nominated.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Here are a few of the ruminations that Paul says he didn't write, but he read, no wait a minute, he only read some of them, no that isn't right, he didn't read them until 10 years later:
"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." - Ron Paul, 1992

"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." - Ron Paul, 1992

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such." - Ron Paul, 1992

"What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn't that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?" - Ron Paul, 1992
Racist Newsletter

Since 1985, Ron Paul has published a newsletter, first called the Ron Paul Political Report (and since renamed the Ron Paul Survival Report.)

In 1992, the newsletter published a bunch of inflammatory comments on racial subjects, listed in the Quotes section of this page. Pretty raw stuff.

In 2001, as Paul moved to the mainstream and rejoined the Republican party, he disavowed these comments and blamed them on an unnamed ghostwriter. But when Paul ran for Congress in 1996, as a Libertarian, his opponent brought these up to show that Paul had fringe ideas. At that time, Paul told the Houston Chronicle that he opposed racism and his commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." In other words, he didn't deny writing the Ron Paul column in the Ron Paul newsletter, profits of which go to Ron Paul, until many years later. Then he claimed that his campaign aides thought it would be "too confusing" to tell the truth, so he had to lie and accept responsibility.

Whichever story is true, he's clearly responsible for the contents of that newsletter and pretty squirrelly about the whole thing.
http://www.realchange.org/ronpaul.htm

Yes, telling the truth can frequently be "confusing" especially if it's the third or fourth version of events that you put out....

Paul now expects people to believe that in a column with his name on it, in a newsletter that bore his name, he never bothered to read what was being sent out as though he had written it, and can't even remember who wrote it...
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Supposidly he got pissed in the after debate interview with Hannity last week as well.


The tough questioning hasn't even started yet, if he wins in Iowa watch out.
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Here are some more doosies:
Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks,” read a typical article from the June 1992 “Special Issue on Racial Terrorism,” a supplement to the Ron Paul Political Report. Racial apocalypse was the most persistent theme of the newsletters; a 1990 issue warned of “The Coming Race War,” and an article the following year about disturbances in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C., was entitled “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” Paul alleged that Martin Luther King Jr., “the world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours,” had also “seduced underage girls and boys.” The man who would later proclaim King a “hero” attacked Ronald Reagan for signing legislation creating the federal holiday in his name, complaining, “We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.”

No conspiracy theory was too outlandish for Paul’s endorsement. One newsletter reported on the heretofore unknown phenomenon of “Needlin’,” in which “gangs of black girls between the ages of 12 and 14” roamed the streets of New York and injected white women with possibly HIV-infected syringes. Another newsletter warned that “the AIDS patient” should not be allowed to eat in restaurants because “AIDS can be transmitted by saliva,” a strange claim for a physician to make.

Paul gave credence to the theory, later shown to have been the product of a Soviet disinformation effort, that AIDS had been created in a U.S. government laboratory at Fort Detrick, Maryland. Three months before far-right extremists killed 168 Americans in Oklahoma City, Paul’s newsletter praised the “1,500 local militias now training to defend liberty” as “one of the most encouraging developments in America.” And he offered specific advice to antigovernment militia members, such as, “Keep the group size down,” “Keep quiet and you’re harder to find,” “Leave no clues,” “Avoid the phone as much as possible,” and “Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.”

If the above were not enough to place Paul beyond the pale for the RJC, what the congressman had to say about Jews and Israel would probably be a deal-breaker. No foreign country was mentioned in the newsletters more often than Israel. A 1987 newsletter termed it “an aggressive, national socialist state,” and another missive, on the subject of the 1993 World Trade Center attack, concluded, “Whether it was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.” In 1990, the newsletter cast aspersions on the “tens of thousands of well-placed friends of Israel in all countries who are willing to wok [sic] for the Mossad in their area of expertise.”
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=83a_1324412683
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In the other thread I said he was insane. If you question that statement, and I'm not sure that anyone here would, I offer proof.

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/201 ... stand_for/
Most people assume that Paul endorsed Libertarian candidate Bob Barr in 2008, which is partially true. However, that is not the entire story. Paul also endorsed three other candidates

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The second was Cynthia McKinney. Yes, you read that correctly, Ron Paul endorsed Cynthia McKinney in 2008. For those who do not know, Cynthia McKinney is a certifiably insane anti-American anti-Semitic lunatic. She first came to widespread public attention when she was arrested for punching out a member of the capitol police who tried to stop her when she wasn’t wearing her pin. Cynthia McKinney is so crazy that she got defeated in a primary by a guy who thought Guam might tip over and capsize. McKinney was once arrested by the Israelis while trying to give aid to Hamas and penned a bizarre anti-American and anti-Israeli screed. See more of her anti-Americanism here.

Now, I know that the above is not necessarily persuasive to the average Ron Paul fan – after all, if they were bothered by siding with terrorists, they’d have probably jumped off the Paul bandwagon already. What is perhaps more important is that Cynthia McKinney is also next door to being a communist in terms of her domestic policy. McKinney is an open and avowed enemy of free market capitalism, preferring instead Ghadaffi-style socialism. Seriously, she literally and openly favors dictatorial socialism. McKinney ran on the Green Party ticket, whose platform explicitly includes guaranteed open-ended welfare (at a living wage) for everyone regardless of their ability or willingness to work, among other quasi-communist and far-left economic policies.


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Ron was caught in a classic Republican maneuver; trying to "out-nigger" everyone else in the George Wallace sense of the phrase and got caught when he got onto the big stage.

The entire Republican field are doing the same thing with cynical lies about global warming, immigrants, evolution, the cause of the financial meltdown, &c.

Lies all the time.



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Ron is typical of the "flavor of the week" candidates in that he can sound "interesting" in little sound bites, but the more you look into him and his views the more bizarre they seem to be.

For someone to be a sitting member of Congress and allow this garbage to go out under his name is a pretty good indication that he is not ready for a responsible position of any kind. And the more people who realize that, the better off the primary races will be.

He is nothing but a diversion, and detracts from the whole process. His apparent success at gaining a following in Iowa says more about the gullibility of that electorate than it does about his qualifications or suitability as a candidate.

Isn't it funny how rubato can make an ass of himself regardless of the subject of the thread?

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For someone to be a sitting member of Congress and allow this garbage to go out under his name
In the interest of accuracy, it should be pointed out that these quotes were taken from the period between his leaving Congress after several terms, and his returning to the House, so he was not serving at the time. (Which in my opinion makes it even worse because he has even less excuse to claim that he was too busy to keep track of what was going out, not only under his name, but as though he had actually written it.)
Isn't it funny how rubato can make an ass of himself regardless of the subject of the thread?
Dave, I'm sure you know by now that the ability to do that is rube's superpower; it's the single most defining characteristic of the persona he has consistently brought to the table at three discussion forums for a dozen years...

If that skill were ever to desert him, he would cease to be the rube we all know and

...uh...

well, the rube we all know....
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He is nothing but a diversion, and detracts from the whole process. His apparent success at gaining a following in Iowa says more about the gullibility of that electorate than it does about his qualifications or suitability as a candidate.
He's just the latest anyone-but, non-Romney
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He's just the latest anyone-but, non-Romney
I have to take issue with the idea of Ron Paul as one of the Not Romneys....

Paul has been doing well in Iowa for months, through a whole series of Not Romneys (he also came in a close second in the Iowa straw poll)

The bulk of Paul's supporters are not Republicans who are embracing him as the latest alternative to Romney (indeed, I'm certain that given Paul's views, most of the GOP voters who have wanted an alternative to Romney would flock to Mitt in droves if the choice came down to just Romney or Paul)

The vast majority of people who support Ron Paul, are people who wouldn't be participating in the Republican nominating process at all if he weren't running. While he may have some limited support from folks who vote for GOP candidates regularly, (though I can't imagine why, given many of his positions) most of his supporters are people who aren't really Republicans. ( though they may technically qualify as Republicans because the have registered with the party for the purpose of voting for Paul)

As I said to a friend of mine a few days ago....

If John Hunstman weren't in the race most his supporters would probably switch to Romney...

If Michelle Bachmann weren't in the race, most of her supporters would probably switch to either Perry or Santorum....

And if Ron Paul weren't in the race, most of his supporters would probably try to find a UFOlogist Convention to attend rather than show up for the caucuses....
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The Republican field are the most concentrated flock of cynics to run for a single office in a century (at least) who accept as a matter of course that they will lie to get into power:

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Ron Paul Is "Part of a Coalition Who Saw Bigotry as a Potent Political Force. This Is Meant as a Defense. In Fact It's an… Indictment"

Ta-Nehisi Coates:

Old News Cont.: Yesteday Ron Paul claimed on CNN that he'd never read the newsletters that went out in his name. Here is Ron Paul in a 1995 video discussing the very newsletters he claims to never have read.

If you can find away to explain away a hateful newsletter written in someone's own name, it's likely you can find some way to explain this video away too. There's always a path to make yourself right, if that's your intent. Indeed, at this point it probably behooves me to stop arguing.

But I would ask you suffer me one final point: Dave Wiegel convincingly argues that Paul isn't a bigot, simply part of coalition who saw bigotry as a potent political force. This is meant as a defense. In fact it's an unwittingly damning indictment, that puts Ron Paul in ugly tradition of non-racist demagogues:

In 1952, [George Wallace] became the Circuit Judge of the Third Judicial Circuit in Alabama. Here he became known as "the fighting little judge," a nod to his past boxing association. He gained a reputation for fairness regardless of the race of the plaintiff, and J. L. Chestnut, a black lawyer, recalled, "Judge George Wallace was the most liberal judge that I had ever practiced law in front of. He was the first judge in Alabama to call me 'Mister' in a courtroom."

On the other hand, "Wallace was the first Southern judge to issue an injunction against removal of segregation signs in railroad terminals." Wallace blocked federal efforts to review Barbour County voting lists, for which he was cited for criminal contempt of court in 1959. Wallace also granted probation to some blacks, which may have cost him the 1958 gubernatorial election.

He was defeated by John Patterson in Alabama's Democratic gubernatorial primary election in 1958, which at the time was the decisive election, the general election still almost always being a mere formality. This was a political crossroads for Wallace. Patterson ran with the support of the Ku Klux Klan, an organization Wallace had spoken against, while Wallace was endorsed by the NAACP.

After the election, aide Seymore Trammell recalled Wallace saying, "Seymore, you know why I lost that governor's race?... I was outniggered by John Patterson. And I'll tell you here and now, I will never be outniggered again."

In the wake of his defeat, Wallace "made a Faustian bargain," said Emory University professor Dan Carter. "In order to survive and get ahead politically in the 1960s, he sold his soul to the devil on race."

He adopted hard-line segregationism, and used this stand to court the white vote in the next gubernatorial election. When a supporter asked why he started using racist messages, Wallace replied, "You know, I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about niggers, and they stomped the floor."

That last quote is chilling--but not quite as chilling as this:

"When I became governor, there were 14 of us running for governor that time and all 14 of us were outspoken for segregation in the public schools," Patterson said. "And if you had been perceived not to have been strong for that, you would not have won....I regret that, but there was not anything I could do about it but to live with it."

That John Patterson--the man who defeated Wallace by "outniggering him." Patterson was speaking in 2008, shortly after having cast a vote for the first black president in the country's history.

It is comforting to think of racism as species of misanthropy, or akin to child molestation, thus exonerating all those who bear no real hatred in their heart. It's much more troubling to think of it as its always been--a means of political organization and power distribution. Such a definition makes the "I'm a good person" defense irrelevant.

I could easily believe that Ron Paul holds no more particular disdain for blacks than George Wallace or John Patterson. These were not evil men. They were good people, who consented to evil in the pursuit of power.

When Andrew says the Ron Paul newsletters are old news, he has no idea how right he is.

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The Republican field are the most concentrated flock of cynics to run for a single office in a century (at least) who accept as a matter of course that they will lie to get into power:
This from the king of cynics
I have to take issue with the idea of Ron Paul as one of the Not Romenys....
Actually LJ I think you are largely correct. Paul supporters are probably not "normal" republicans. There are a lot of libertarian types hiding out in the Rep party (like me) and that's probably where he gets most of his support.
And if Ron Paul weren't in the race, most of his supporters would probably try to find a UFOlogist Convention to attend rather than show up for the caucuses....
Yea, they probably won't be showing up on election day.
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More lying hysteria from Ron Paul:

http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/11/1 ... ation2.pdf

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