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Econoline wrote:The following appeared as a full-page yesterday in both the New York Times and the Cleveland Plain-Dealer:
Dear Donald,


Americans are frustrated and angry and scared. You’ve channeled this into your nomination.

Americans are also good. We’re generous and courageous and kind. That’s what you’ve missed.

A single mom in Birmingham who taught her son how to rise while respecting women. The Toledo autoworkers fighting to protect the jobs of their immigrant brothers. And the families of faith in Little Rock who believe in lowering taxes without lowering their values.

This is who we are. And this is why your campaign will break down.

Your campaign doesn’t just seem wrong. It feels un-American. To support it would make me less of myself, less of my grandpa’s grandson, less of my mom’s son.

Turning away from you is a way to say who we are.



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I've seen this young man interviewed on television before unrelated to Trump's campaign (in regard to his company Hampton Creek's product Just Mayo) and was seriously impressed. Here's who he is:
Josh Tetrick (born Joshua Stephen Tetrick, March 23, 1980) is an American social entrepreneur, speaker, and writer. He is currently the CEO of Hampton Creek, a technology company based in Northern California.
Prior to founding Hampton Creek, Tetrick spent seven years in Sub-Saharan Africa working on various social campaigns, including a United Nations initiative in Kenya and teaching street children in multiple African countries as a Fulbright Scholar.

Tetrick was born in Birmingham, Alabama where he lived until the age of 13, at which point his family relocated to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He was a football player in high school and upon graduation, went to play for West Virginia University, where he shared the scout team player of the year award with Adam King. While he was in law school, Tetrick was diagnosed with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, a heart condition that he says makes him more appreciative of “life’s fragility.” The diagnosis meant that the former college football player could no longer lift weights or play basketball or football - even recreationally.

In 2004 Tetrick received a BA in Africana Studies from Cornell University, where he graduated at the top of his class, and received a law degree from the University of Michigan Law School. As a Fulbright Scholar Tetrick taught street children in Nigeria and South Africa.

Upon graduating law school, Tetrick was hired by the Liberian government to work on the reform of Liberia's investment laws for its president, Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf, a job that he has joked in interviews he was not qualified for at the time, but learned a tremendous amount in doing. He also worked on other social campaigns, including teaching street children and working to encourage child prostitutes from lives on the streets and into schools. This worked help with the idea for the basis of the non-profit organization, "More Than Me." It was in Africa that Tetrick also first noticed serious issues with the global food system.

After returning from Africa, Tetrick worked for Toms Shoes and in January 2011, he launched 33needs, a crowd-funding website for social startups. The website does not exist anymore.

Tetrick developed the idea for Hampton Creek with his friend, Josh Balk, in June, 2011. The idea stemmed from issues both of them noticed in the global food system. Tetrick began initial business plans and meetings with Khosla Ventures, a Palo Alto-based venture capital firm later that summer. Hampton Creek received its first round of funding in December, 2011 and a second round (after a relocation to San Francisco) in June, 2012.

Tetrick has been interviewed for his work with Hampton Creek in a variety of publications and media outlets including: CBS This Morning, Forbes, The Wall Street Journal, Entrepreneur, Inc., CNBC, CNN, Popular Science, Bloomberg Businessweek, NPR, The New York Times, and others. In March 2013, Tetrick and Hampton Creek became one of only three companies to be featured in Bill Gates' documentary, The Future of Food. In June 2013 Tetrick presented at a TED conference in Edmonton, Canada with a presentation on the future of food.

In June 2014, Inc. named Tetrick to its annual "35 Under 35 list." That same month, CNBC named Hampton Creek to its annual "Disruptor 50" list and invited Tetrick to appear live on air with Jim Cramer. His credibility in business has also led him to be a coveted speaker at business conferences. In 2014, he keynoted TechWeek Chicago and is scheduled to keynote the World Food Prize's Borlaug DialogueInc.'s 5000 conference, the Pioneer's Festival in Vienna, and The Summit in Dublin later in the year.

Tetrick invested $37,000 of his own money into Hampton Creek in 2011, shortly before Khosla Ventures provided $500,000 in seed funding to the company. He is responsible for attracting notable investors such as Li Ka-Shing, Peter Thiel, and Vinod Khosla to Hampton Creek, and his efforts have resulted in a total of $120 million in fundraising for the company.

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received a BA in Africana Studies
WTF?
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Africanaplay
noun plural Af·ri·ca·na \ˌa-fri-ˈka-nə, -ˈkä-, -ˈkā- also ˌä-\
Popularity: Bottom 20% of words
Definition of Africana
: materials (as books, documents, or artifacts) relating to African history and culture

First Known Use of africana - 1908

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Africana
Perhaps they call it African studies over there; it's the same thing, essentially. Not sure what's confusing unless you weren't aware that studying African culture is a major field within academia - worldwide, in fact.
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Gob wrote:
received a BA in Africana Studies
WTF?
From the Cornell University website — http://www.asrc.cornell.edu/undergraduate/index.cfm:
The Africana Studies undergraduate major and minor programs prepare students for a broad range of academic and professional careers relevant to both the public and private sectors.  Africana has a history of shaping students' intellectual discipline, creativity, and social and political awareness.  Africana also assists students interested in advanced graduate study for:

teaching and research
law
medicine
public policy analysis and administration
social work
community development
international affairs and development

Each semester, Africana offers approximately 23 graduate and undergraduate courses concerning the African, African-American, and Caribbean peoples, in the areas of history, sociology, political economy, Swahili and Yoruba language, music, literature, visual arts, education, and gender studies.
So it's a next-to-useless liberal arts degree on a par with 'Womyn's Studies' (and yes, that's how some schools insist on spelling it) that would satisfy the requirement that one have a BA or BS if you're trying to get into something else and would look good on a resume since it means that you might already have developed 'multi-cultural sensitivity', but doesn't seem to have any application on its own in the real world.
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Excuse me, but I think that studying the history and perspective of half the world's population (Women's Studies - and yes, I did a minor in it) or the continent and peoples (Africana) who were the first humans to emerge on the earth has plenty of merit, and ANY liberal arts subject matter provides students with the opportunity to learn critical thinking skills that lead to a fuller, richer life and much opportunity for a successful life, however the individual defines that.

No offense to you, oh fount of wisdom that you are, but I'm pretty confident in my assertion that Mr. Josh Tetrick has achieved more for himself and for the betterment of the world in his 36 years of life thus far than you ever will in your entire life.

So, I don't think you are so very accurate in saying that his Africana studies degree has 'no real world value'.

And by the way, fuck you. Very much! :fu
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BSG, I am as staunch a proponent of acquiring an education if for no other reason than the discipline it imparts to one in the process of achieving it as the next man.  And that held true, even during my own university career in the mid-1970s when one could conceivably take a 14-15 credit-hour load at a (resident) tuition cost of less than $600 per semester while living with the parents to further reduce the cost of room and board.

However, I cannot help but consider that putting one's self into deep financial debt to acquire a degree that may be only marginally applicable in the modern world does not show a careful weighing of the costs versus the benefits.  We all know the number of people who have graduated from university with a BA in a discipline like Social Work who are damned glad that they were able to land a job working at a call center, driving for Über, or flipping burgers at McDonalds.  That is why I say that a degree in 'Minority Studies' or 'Gender Studies' is of only marginal value in the real world when compared to a degree in courses such as medicine, law, computer science, education, finance, the 'pure' sciences such as chemistry and the various branches of biology, or business.

As for comparing what Mr. Tetrick has accomplished in this world to what I or anyone else may have accomplished — who is to say for certain?  There's an old fable about a young man who was walking along the beach at low tide, picking up starfish that had been stranded when the tide went out and tossing them back into the ocean.  Another man watched him doing this and chided him, saying that there were so many stranded starfish he wouldn't be able to throw them all back and that in the end it wouldn't make any difference.  The young man threw another starfish back into deeper water, then turned to the older man and said, "maybe not — but I know I made a difference to that one."

And you know, if throwing starfish back into the ocean is all I end up amounting to, that's still good enough for me.
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Bicycle Bill wrote: From the Cornell University website — http://www.asrc.cornell.edu/undergraduate/index.cfm:
The Africana Studies undergraduate major and minor programs prepare students for a broad range of academic and professional careers relevant to both the public and private sectors.  Africana has a history of shaping students' intellectual discipline, creativity, and social and political awareness.  Africana also assists students interested in advanced graduate study for:

teaching and research
law
medicine
public policy analysis and administration
social work
community development
international affairs and development

Each semester, Africana offers approximately 23 graduate and undergraduate courses concerning the African, African-American, and Caribbean peoples, in the areas of history, sociology, political economy, Swahili and Yoruba language, music, literature, visual arts, education, and gender studies.
Ah, that sort of bollocks!!
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Bicycle Bill wrote:
Gob wrote:
received a BA in Africana Studies
WTF?
From the Cornell University website — http://www.asrc.cornell.edu/undergraduate/index.cfm:
The Africana Studies undergraduate major and minor programs prepare students for a broad range of academic and professional careers relevant to both the public and private sectors.  Africana has a history of shaping students' intellectual discipline, creativity, and social and political awareness.  Africana also assists students interested in advanced graduate study for:

teaching and research
law
medicine
public policy analysis and administration
social work
community development
international affairs and development

Each semester, Africana offers approximately 23 graduate and undergraduate courses concerning the African, African-American, and Caribbean peoples, in the areas of history, sociology, political economy, Swahili and Yoruba language, music, literature, visual arts, education, and gender studies.
So it's a next-to-useless liberal arts degree on a par with 'Womyn's Studies' (and yes, that's how some schools insist on spelling it) that would satisfy the requirement that one have a BA or BS if you're trying to get into something else and would look good on a resume since it means that you might already have developed 'multi-cultural sensitivity', but doesn't seem to have any application on its own in the real world.
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He graduated from one of the top universities in the world, where the education is far deeper than just the major field of study. I'd bet dollars to donuts that he didn't incur a ton of debt for that degree, as there is lots of financial aid available due to a very generous endowment, and a pledge among the Ivy League institutions that students whose parents make under $60,000 get almost free tuition.

With that degree he got into, and graduated from one of the top law schools in the country, and is doing some incredible work now.

There is no "honorary" Cornell degree, the only way you get one is to earn it, and believe me, earn it you do. There is little mollycoddling and hand-holding at Cornell.

So yeah, total waste of his time and energy. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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According to what BB quoted, this useless Liberal Arts Degree, prepared this man to do some pretty outstanding things.

But I strongly protest the entire concept of a useless Liberal Arts Degree. Such a statement comes from a general attitude in much of the USofA, that a college degree is supposed to be some sort of vocational training. Many institutions provide just such a certificate with some sort of elaboration about a Bachelor's degree. Many institutions proudly announce how much money their graduates are earning. Many institutions proudly announce how many of their graduates find a full time job soon after they leave the school

But that all has NOTHING to do with the education implied in a real Liberal Arts education. It has everything to do with sucking in more 'students' to provide a cash flow for the institution.

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Bill, you don't get 'useful' degrees like law, medicine, etc. without first getting a university degree at the baccalaureate level. You are aware of this, no?

Your attitude about liberal arts degrees is the same anti-intellectual BS that permeates much of the right-wing in our country at present. While I wholeheartedly agree that the cost of university level education in this country has become ridiculously high and financially cripples far too many college graduates - and those who never graduate - the answer is not to do away with those degrees. The answer is to provide such education at a minimal cost, as a social investment in an educated citizenry. It works terrifically well in the many socialist democracies that follow that model and there is no reason it can't work here, at a fraction of the cost of corporate welfare and perpetual wars for perpetual 'peace' (yes I borrowed that from G.V.).

On a more fundamental level, I reject your assertion that some areas of human endeavor are less worth studying than others. That comes from my perspective having studied hard sciences AND soft sciences at the university level; both have been critically important to my growth as a human being and my contributions to society.

Finally, anybody who knows anything about required curriculum at liberal arts universities knows that there are numerous required courses one must complete in addition to the elective choices in his/her field of focused study. So Africana or Women's Studies majors are also required to take university level science, maths, foreign language, etc.

I know all about the starfish story, it hung over my desk in my public-interest law offices for a dozen years and I've thrown back many of them myself.

But I don't go around sneering and laughing at people who studied the origins of human culture at university and used those studies to go on to law school and used those degrees to assist a developing African nation's economic policy development and ultimately to create a company whose focus is on radically shifting our food culture to ensure access to proper nutrition by peoples at all economic levels.
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I'd also like to add, as someone who taught at the university level for several years, that I've seen plenty of students in the hard sciences who could barely communicate in writing, a rather necessary life skill even in the age of email/Twitter/etc. I spent several semesters teaching engineering students how to communicate at a very basic level, I'm talking about basic sentence structure and the ability to state a simple thesis and prove it with evidence - simple essay writing which is necessary to advance in any field, including the sciences, beyond the level of lab tech/drone.

While I'm admittedly not a maths prodigy by any means, I can hold my own in university level maths and hard sciences, I have a university transcript I'd happily PM you to prove it. But the single greatest life skill I acquired at university was a combination of critical thinking/problem solving/intellectual & personal resilience which came more pointedly from my thousands of hours reading and writing in the liberal arts courses I took than from the upper level Genetics/Morphogenesis & Differentiation/Chemistry/Calculus, etc. coursework that I took when I was a Zoology major my first couple of years at uni.

This would have been true whether or not I'd made the mistake of then going on to law school, to earn an allegedly 'useful' degree. I won't get started on the current 'law school scam' permeating academia and the large number of law graduates who can't even find a law-related job, much less a job practicing law. So much for the theory that certain degrees are an automatic ticket to prosperity. And by the way, the assertion that a hard science or computer science degree is an auto ticket to useful employment? Not so necessarily true: http://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar ... ge/284359/

To boil it down, if a person is going to dedicate 4-6 years of his/her life to a uni education, it should perhaps be in a field that interests him/her sufficiently that those years do not feel like a prison sentence. Uni education should be about the experience - by which I don't mean binge drinking and frat parties, but personal development, expanding one's mind and experiential horizons, learning to question authority and think critically and be able to communicate effectively with fellow human beings. It's not trade school.
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Bicycle Bill wrote:BSG, I am as staunch a proponent of acquiring an education if for no other reason than the discipline it imparts to one in the process of achieving it as the next man.  And that held true, even during my own university career in the mid-1970s when one could conceivably take a 14-15 credit-hour load at a (resident) tuition cost of less than $600 per semester while living with the parents to further reduce the cost of room and board.

However, I cannot help but consider that putting one's self into deep financial debt to acquire a degree that may be only marginally applicable in the modern world does not show a careful weighing of the costs versus the benefits.  We all know the number of people who have graduated from university with a BA in a discipline like Social Work who are damned glad that they were able to land a job working at a call center, driving for Über, or flipping burgers at McDonalds.  That is why I say that a degree in 'Minority Studies' or 'Gender Studies' is of only marginal value in the real world when compared to a degree in courses such as medicine, law, computer science, education, finance, the 'pure' sciences such as chemistry and the various branches of biology, or business.
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Judge Billings Learned Hand wasted his time at Harvard studying Philosophy and Economics went on to law school and then a mostly failed career as a lawyer (by his own admission) but in the end it all turned out alright as he because one of the most important jurists in American history.


On the other hand I have worked with people who by some combination of sloth, disinterest, and cheating got chemistry degrees from good universities (UCLA was one) which are of almost no value.


My wife got her first degree in studio art and values it a great deal.


There are many subjects which, approached with seriousness and rigor, provide a very good entry point into understanding the world. And there are many who manage to escape with a degree in any subject with their minds largely unchanged by the experience.


Although I do think everyone needs a grounding in basic science either in HS or college.


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Bicycle Bill wrote:
Gob wrote:
received a BA in Africana Studies
WTF?
From the Cornell University website — http://www.asrc.cornell.edu/undergraduate/index.cfm:
The Africana Studies undergraduate major and minor programs prepare students for a broad range of academic and professional careers relevant to both the public and private sectors.  Africana has a history of shaping students' intellectual discipline, creativity, and social and political awareness.  Africana also assists students interested in advanced graduate study for:

teaching and research
law
medicine
public policy analysis and administration
social work
community development
international affairs and development

Each semester, Africana offers approximately 23 graduate and undergraduate courses concerning the African, African-American, and Caribbean peoples, in the areas of history, sociology, political economy, Swahili and Yoruba language, music, literature, visual arts, education, and gender studies.
So it's a next-to-useless liberal arts degree on a par with 'Womyn's Studies' (and yes, that's how some schools insist on spelling it) that would satisfy the requirement that one have a BA or BS if you're trying to get into something else and would look good on a resume since it means that you might already have developed 'multi-cultural sensitivity', but doesn't seem to have any application on its own in the real world.
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Since I mentioned it, and have some more time now, Africana studies is a program within the College of Arts & Sciences at Cornell. Here are the requirements for graduation from that College (each college has its own requirements for graduation, but the degree is granted by the University):

Overview:http://courses.cornell.edu/content.php? ... avoid=2194
The College of Arts and Sciences is a community of about 4,300 undergraduates and 650 faculty members in over forty departments ranging from anthropology to economics to physics. Engaged in cutting-edge research and scholarly and creative work, the College’s faculty members teach their students to analyze critically through various disciplinary lenses – an approach that shapes the ways in which our students perceive and creatively solve problems, not only as undergraduates, but for the rest of their lives. The deep and wide-ranging knowledge they acquire in their classes enables them to deal effectively with complex problems they encounter both here and in the world.

Students are able to acquire such knowledge through the extraordinary richness of the Arts and Sciences curriculum: choosing from over 2,000 courses, undergraduates engage in the depth of a major and take courses over the breadth of the liberal arts and sciences. By completing the major, distribution requirements, and electives they choose, Arts and Sciences students learn to think critically and analytically, to communicate effectively, to write well, and to consider problems from many different angles in order to solve them in the most optimal ways.

Students and faculty members here are fortunate not only to be part of the intellectual community of the College of Arts and Sciences, but to be part of the larger University community as well. Because the faculty members here teach core theoretical knowledge, most of the 13,000 undergraduates at Cornell take courses in our college at some point in their careers here. This wider community provides depth and diversity of applied and professional studies beyond what a college of the liberal arts and sciences alone can offer. We are proud that the abundant variety and outstanding quality in many fields, including interdisciplinary fields, and emphasis on individual academic freedom and responsibility give the college and university their distinctive character.
Specific requirements: http://courses.cornell.edu/content.php? ... avoid=2087
Summary of Requirements
1.First-year writing seminars: two courses. (See “John S. Knight Institute for Writing in the Disciplines.”)
2.Foreign language: completion of one course taught in the language at the nonintroductory level or above (Option 1) or at least 11 credits in one language (Option 2). For a list of language offerings, see “Language Study at Cornell.”
3.Distribution: nine courses (may overlap with courses counting toward a major).
4.Breadth: two courses (may overlap with courses for distribution, major, or electives).
5.Major (see individual department listings for major requirements).
6.Electives: four or five courses (at least 15 credits) not used to fulfill other requirements (other than the breadth requirements) and not in the major field. Elective courses may be used to complete a minor.
7.Residence: eight full-time semesters, unless a student can successfully complete all other requirements in fewer than eight semesters and meet the additional criteria to accelerate graduation. (See “Acceleration” below.)
8.34 courses: a 3- or 4-credit course counts as one course. A 2-credit course counts as half a course; a 1-credit course does not normally count toward the requirement; a 6-credit language course counts as one and one-half courses. (See “Courses and Credits” for some 1-credit courses in music, dance, and theatre performance that can be cumulated to count as one-half course.)
9.Credits: a total minimum of 120 academic credits, of which a minimum of 100 must be taken in the College of Arts and Sciences at Cornell. (See “Noncredit Courses” below for courses that do not count as academic credits or courses.)
10.Physical education: completion of the university requirement (passing a swim test and two 1-credit nonacademic courses). Note: Physical education credit does not count toward the 120 credits needed to graduate or toward the 12-credit minimum required for good academic standing each semester.
11.Application to graduate (see “Graduation”).

Undergraduates are responsible for knowing and fulfilling the requirements for graduation and for alerting the college to any problems with their records. To check on their progress toward the degree, students are urged to consult their advising deans in 55 or 172 Goldwin Smith Hall and to check their DUST (Distributed Undergraduate Student Tracking) reports at data.arts.cornell.edu/as-stus. The DUST report is updated after each semester to reflect the student’s progress in college requirements. To check on their progress in the major, students should consult their major advisors.
So yes, complete waste of time, in a useless field, at a crappy institution that only cares about collecting its tuition checks and churning graduates. :loon


(In case it is not obvious, I am a proud alumna of Cornell where I received an incredibly vigorous education in academia and in life. I would place it against any other undergraduate education available anywhere else in the world)
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The developing world including Africa is a huge area of opportunity for people with a grounding in the cultures, languages, history, &c.


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Guinevere wrote:... (In case it is not obvious, I am a proud alumna of Cornell where I received an incredibly vigorous education in academia and in life. I would place it against any other undergraduate education available anywhere else in the world)
As a good friend of the late, great, Mr. Cornell, Joe Driscoll Jr., I couldn't agree more.

And from one of the foremost student of Africana Studies, "The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education." Martin Luther King, Jr.

You can't argue with that logic.
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I've decided that the argument, "the lesser of two evils" results in "Never Hillary".

Trump would be laughable ineffective and unable to work any of his silly "plans" (loosely speaking) - he'd just be a bit of an embarrassment.

Hillary is quite capable of being able to implement her plans. Therefore, she is the worst choice.

While I can't see myself voting Trump, I am even more determined not to vote Hillary. LJ may sleep with the enemy, but I refuse to do so.
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I really didn't like George W. Bush and was terribly disappointed when the SCOTUS crowned him President, but I could not forsee (nor do I think anybody could) 9/11 or his massively detrimental subsequent warmongering, war profiteering and disastrous foreign and domestic policies. So I cannot say I hated him, or that he was my 'enemy'.

I have never 'hated' a presidential candidate until Trump, and that includes all the other candidates who ran for the Republican nomination.

I truly do not understand the mentality of anybody who would act in any way - including refusing to vote for Hillary - that would help get this man elected to the most powerful leadership position in the world.

IN THE WORLD. TRUMP! :o

I think that is so beyond foolish as to be the embodiment of idiocy.

Hillary isn't great, but she isn't evil. She will further Obama's policies for the most part and gee whiz, our economy is improving as best as could be expected given the new asshole torn in it by Bush/Cheney's war profiteering and facilitating of their banking cronies raping us all. Yes she will likely name reasonable and somewhat liberal leaning justices to the SCOTUS - but they won't be wildly liberal, because they won't get voted on by the obstructionist Republicans in the Senate. The worst she will do is intervene too much in foreign lands and get more of our servicepeople killed - something I have no doubt Trump will do with impunity.

Once upon a time we disliked each other's candidates and criticized their policies. I know this because I've been watching politics with my parents since I can remember, one of my first childhood memories being the Watergate trials (I later studied criminal law under Sam Dash). Then things got disgustingly personal beginning with Gingrich's rule of the House and the vendetta against the Clintons which continues to this day. All that hate and extremity has resulted in this vile candidate, and he is a poison you Republicans are inflicting upon us. And yes, I DO blame ALL Republicans because you stood by and said nothing while the politics of personal attack and vile invective was nurtured by your party's mouthpieces. All that is takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan

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Re: How I'm Going To Bring Myself To Vote For Hillary Clinto

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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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Re: How I'm Going To Bring Myself To Vote For Hillary Clinto

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MajGenl.Meade wrote: Hillary is quite capable of being able to implement her plans. Therefore, she is the worst choice.
Which of Hillary's plans are you worried about? Will she confiscate your guns? Mess up your health care? Hand out too much welfare to the needy? Be too slow to respond to terror attacks in other countries?

Store your email on her personal server?

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