North Carolina Voter ID law --"discriminatory intent"

[Jarlaxle]

BSG, and Big RR, I have over, and over, and over, and over again, posted reputable evidence of very substantial numbers of non-citizens being on the voter registration rolls.

In fact I have posted it so many times, that I can't paste it any more because the board functionality wont you let you use quotes more than three levels deep; you can read it again here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16189&p=210814&hilit=zombie#p210814

And because of the way most of this limited data has been compiled (non-citizens dumb enough to show up for jury duty) it's quite logical to assume that the full number is some significant multiple of what has been uncovered. (Probably millions, not thousands)

And the problem isn't just illegal aliens on the voter registration rolls. As the study conducted by the TV station in Florida in the video you'll see at that link shows, there's also a significant problem with legal resident aliens registering to vote.

Now, if the counter argument to that is, "well, just because all these non-citizens have registered doesn't mean that any of them are actually voting", I submit that is a very poor argument indeed...

I challenge anyone who believes that, to put forward a credible alternative explanation for this widespread non-citizen voter registration other than the people registering are doing so because they have a desire to be able to vote...

Absent such a credible alternative explanation, it is more than reasonable to assume that non-citizens register to vote for the exact same reasons that citizens register to vote (ie, they want to be able to vote), and that they turn out to vote in roughly the same percentages as their legally eligible citizen counter-parts.

My friend's grandmother was registered to vote the last time she renewed her drivers' license. She was a resident alien for more than 25 years but never a US citizen.

[Jarlaxle]

Once upon a time it was just common sense that voters should know a bit about the government before voting, little things like be able to name all the counties in the state, and then all the county seats for each county. That last one usually was enough to eliminate uppity coloreds.

snailgate

There are 99 counties in Iowa (I know, I've ridden my bicycle in each and every one of them at some point in my life), and over 250 counties in the state of Texas.  I wonder if even the governor of either state, let alone any member of the legislatures, could readily name all of them.

-"BB"-

I could name every county in the state where I grew up, though I don't think they had actual county seats, simply because there is no real county government.

[dales]

I could name every county in the state where I grew up, though I don't think they had actual county seats, simply because there is no real county government.

Doesn't R.I. have only five counties?

[Jarlaxle]

Correct.

[Burning Petard]

Delaware has only three counties, but I can name the county seat of only the one I live in.

snailgate

[datsunaholic]

Washington has 39 counties. I can probably name 25-30 of them, many of which most non-Washingtonians couldn't pronounce let alone spell. County seats, not so much. Some counties are so sparsely populated that my neighborhood (a "Census Designated Place" on the outskirts of a small city) has a higher population than those entire counties. In fact, you could fit the entire combined populations of the 6 least populated counties in Safeco Field and have almost 10,000 open seats.


Going from memory:

Whatcom (Bellingham)
Skagit
Snohomish (Everett)
King (Seattle)
Pierce (Tacoma)
Thurston (Olympia)
Mason
Skamania
Lewis
Clark (Vancouver)
Pacific (South Bend)
Gray's Harbor
Kitsap
Island
San Juan (Friday Harbor)
Jefferson
Franklin
Grant (Ephrata)
Douglas
Kittitas (Ellensburg)
Spokane (Spokane)
Okanogan
Ferry
Adams
Pend Oreille
Chelan (Wenachee)
Yakima (Yakima)
Walla Walla (Walla Walla)
Benton
Whitman
Lincoln
Asotin


Well, that's 32. I'll look up the ones I forgot:

Hm- found a map with only 2 initials, and got several more without needing to know the whole name:

Clallam
Stevens
Wahkiakum (which I couldn't spell)


4 more. Had to look these up. All 4 are along the southern border with Oregon and 3 are in Eastern Washington.

Cowlitz, Klickitat, Columbia (which isn't on the Columbia river at all), and Garfield.


I've never been to several of the counties: Pend Oreille, Stevens, Ferry, San Juan (which is all on islands), Asotin, Garfield, and Columbia. I may or may not have been in Walla Walla county. 7 or 8, which is more than the number of STATES I've never been in (West Virginia, Vermont, Tennessee, Iowa, Nebraska, and Minnesota (may have been in an Airport there, though)


We DID have to learn the counties and county seats in Grade School, as part of Washington State History, which is (or was) a State requirement. We were each assigned a county to do a research paper on (well, we got to pick one, and being early in the alphabet I actually GOT my pick, which was Grant county- where my Dad was working at the time so I'd been there) but with about 33 students and 39 counties some got left out.