Children's concentration camps - welcome to Trump's America

[wesw]

well jim....,

I m just grateful that you get my jokes....

I have to explain them to most folks.....

[Big RR]

their strategy has cost them the mid term election.

Given your politics, I would think you'd cheer this, if it is indeed what is happening.

Somehow shrillness and general asshole behavior hasn't negatively affected Trump among his supporters if you think the republicans will win?

As for the dems flipping the House, I'm still optimistic; flipping the Senate, I'm still hopeful. Could impeachment and removal follow? I can only hope.

Three months is still a long time, and its far too early to early to call the results

[wesw]

well RR, I m not actually (italics) prescient, but I am a keen observer of men.

seems to me that of all the people here, i saw the mood of the nation best in the last election.

what i see is that the combination of the never trumpers, the corruption at the fbi and justice, and the general hatefulness of the Dems, has virtually guaranteed democrat losses in the 2018 cycle.

maybe i m wrong.


...and no, i don t cheer the mood in the country, i think that it is horrible for all of us.

but you look at it and tell me if you think that anything that the Dems are doing is attractive or inspiring?

i don t see it.

i m not a repub. i don t even want jim s damned party.

it is just a vehicle.

i m with old George, i disdain partisan politics.

[Sue U]

You have now posted four times, wesw, without ever answering the questions I asked. Why won't you give a straight answer to direct questions?

[Econoline]

what i see is that the combination of the never trumpers, the corruption at the fbi and justice, and the general hatefulness of the Dems, has virtually guaranteed democrat losses in the 2018 cycle.

OK. What I don't get is why you would think this, and yet not think that the combination of the unquestioning diehard Trump true believers, the lack of any actual proof of "corruption at the fbi and justice", the flagrant and publicly admitted obstruction of justice, and the general hatefulness of the GOP, has virtually guaranteed REPUBLICAN losses in the 2018 cycle. Why the hell not?

[wesw]

oh I m sorry, I wasn t paying attention.....

it s a subtle point I m making.....

besides you had like 20 questions in there.....

like every day you have 20 ways to say your political opponent are..., how did you say?

oh yeah..., all I remember is you saying was that we were "monsters" and "not fit for human society"

why would I ever want to speak to you after that?

and you don t have to trouble yourself to answer, it was rhetoric.

econo, you didn t believe trump had a chance in hell of winning, I saw it differently.

I see a red tide coming in November, but I could be wrong.

I m not getting into argueing with 5 or 10 different people at the same time again.

life is too short.

you go vote and I ll go vote and we ll see who wins.

that is what democracy looks like

[Big RR]

but you look at it and tell me if you think that anything that the Dems are doing is attractive or inspiring?

Just a couple of things as i'm in a hurry:

They have banded together to keep Obamacare in place; it's by no means a perfect system, but it's all we have, and the people support it. And they have tried to get reform of it in congress to no avaial.

They have tried to compromise and get real immigration policy reform--to protect the dreamers and those under temporary protected status, but the republicans refuse to vote on anything if the leadership doesn't believe Trump will sign it, and Trump is a moving target. They also strongly opposed the incarceration policy Trump was "blaming on them, and tried to get Congress to act, but again they would not preferring to stroke the egop of a vindictive ass who actually sees nothing wrong with taking kids from families.

There are a number of other things, but IMHO as long as we have legislative leaders who won't take Trump on, and a majority party who won't challenge their leadership, there will be no way forward. Which is why I'm hoping for a paradigm change in the legislative branch come November.

[wesw]

ok, I ll keep it short too.

you see these things because you pay close attention.

the only thing that the average American sees are the democrats being hateful and enraged.

and we hear what they call us.

not you, but the others drown the voices of reason out.

[Scooter]

So what you are saying is that people vote Republican because they lack the insight and the attention span to focus on real issues and get distracted by irrelevancies. Thank you, that explains a lot.

[Lord Jim]

the only thing that the average American sees are the democrats being hateful and enraged.

Road apples...

If that were the case, Trump would have a 90% approval rating, (instead of consistently the lowest levels of any President in modern history, despite a strong economy) and the GOP would be way ahead in the generic ballot and voter enthusiasm polls, instead of consistently behind...

You need to get outside of the Trumpanzee echo chamber wes, and stop mistaking the hard-core Trumpanzee faithful (the one's who say they "strongly support" Trump...consistently between the high teens and the low 20s in the polls) for being representative of "the average American", let alone some sort of "majority"...

If you did, you'd realize that a far higher percentage see the hate and rage that emanates non-stop from your hero, even if you and the others in your Noisy Minority have blinded yourselves to it...

[Econoline]

the only thing that the average American sees are the democrats being hateful and enraged.

and we hear what they call us.

Wait. How can an "average American" watch a video of a Trump rally, any Trump rally—or even just turn on Fox News—and NOT see Trump and his supporters "being hateful and enraged"???? and NOT "hear what they call us"????

[Guinevere]

The trumpanzees live in an alternate universe where the sky is green and the grass is blue and everything is upside down

[wesw]

ok, so Goebbels said that they were "monsters" , "not fit for human society".....

yeah we hear what you say....



lord jesus , jim.

the only place I talk about politics is here.

I m in the belly of the beast.

I m in no echo chamber.

I get my news from all sides and make my own decisions

I don t know where you get your numbers from, but they are wrong.

do you really believe, scooter?

is he really who you want on your side?

I m actually watching Rachel Madcow as I type this.....

don t insult me by saying things like my husband tells me how to vote.

lord jesus, you ve talked to me enough to know that I have a mind of my own

my god, you ve talked to me long enough to have gleaned that I don t hate gays or people of different colors, haven t you?

do you also think that I m unfit for human society, that I m a monster?

do you also believe that 15 million dead trumpanzees is a "good start"?

you don t have to answer, I don t even want your answers.

you are siding with people who want bloody purges.

is defeating a duly elected president worth that much of your soul?

so Goebbels said , they are "monsters", " not fit for human society"

I have this conversation with you because you only call me stupid, and wrong, I can live with that, hell I can even agree with that sometimes.

[wesw]

anyway, I ll see what you have to say, jim.

I d like to hear meade s view as well.

I have to say that I m leaning toward making most of the folks here happy and blowing this joint again.

I like to debate and hear other views but the general viciousness here is not pleasant or healthy, imo....

[Guinevere]

Oh get over yourself wes. When someone on this board calls you “whore” because you have opinions, get back to me. Until then, man up and stop whining.

[Sue U]

Oh get over yourself wes. When someone on this board calls you “whore” because you have opinions, get back to me. Until then, man up and stop whining.

Wait, I thought we decided you were the bitch? Maybe wesw is the bitch? 'Cause it sure looks like he's my bitch now.

[rubato]

The trumpanzees live in an alternate universe where the sky is green and the grass is blue and everything is upside down

HHS secretary: Separating immigrant families is ‘one of the great acts of American generosity’

Speaking of an alternate universe. What we actually know is that traumatizing young children hurts their mental and physical development for the rest of their lives. For sicker. weaker and more cruel country, vote Republican:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19775820

Childhood trauma and health outcomes in adults with comorbid substance abuse and mental health disorders.
Wu NS1, Schairer LC, Dellor E, Grella C.
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Abstract

This study describes the prevalence of childhood traumatic events (CTEs) among adults with comorbid substance use disorders (SUDs) and mental health problems (MHPs) and assesses the relation between cumulative CTEs and adult health outcomes. Adults with SUDs/MHPs (N=402) were recruited from residential treatment programs and interviewed at treatment admission. Exposures to 9 types of adverse childhood experiences were summed and categorized into 6 ordinal levels of exposure. Descriptive analyses were conducted to assess the prevalence and range of exposure to CTEs in comparison with a sample from primary health care. Logistic regression analyses were conducted to examine the association between the cumulative exposure to CTEs and adverse health outcomes. Most of the sample reported exposure to CTEs, with higher exposure rates among the study sample compared with the primary health care sample. Greater exposure to CTEs significantly increased the odds of several adverse adult outcomes, including PTSD, alcohol dependence, injection drug use, tobacco use, sex work, medical problems, and poor quality of life. Study finding

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... separation

A migrant child was returned to his mother covered in lice, according to a new lawsuit
“[My son] is not the same since we were reunited.”
By Jennie Neufeld@jennieneufeldjennie.neufeld@vox.com Jul 6, 2018, 1:50pm EDT

Joe Raedle/Getty Images

One of the children separated from his parents at the US-Mexico border was returned months later with lice, looking as if he hadn’t been bathed in weeks, and with irrevocable changes to his personality, his mother said, according to documents filed in a lawsuit against the Trump administration.

That detail comes from PBS’s Lisa Desjardins reporting for PBS Newshour. The lawsuit, from 17 states and the District of Columbia, calls for an end to Trump’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy and demands the administration reunite all families that were separated at the border.

According to Desjardins, one mother, Olivia Caceres, alleged that she was separated from her son in November at a legal point entry, according to PBS, and wasn’t with him for 12 weeks. When he was returned to her custody, Caceres’s son was infested with lice and appeared as though he had not been bathed for the entirety of their separation, PBS reported. ..."

yrs,
rubato

[Scooter]

[RayThom]

And in today's "feel good" DOJ news:

Trump Administration Completes Reunification for Eligible Children Under 5
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/trump-ad ... en-under-5

[Scooter]

Except they only reunited about half of them. They claim that the remainder are "ineligible" for reunification for whatever reasons they made up.