trump is serious!!!!!

[Big RR]

you have to see that fighting trump with derision , dismissal, and insult is a failing strategy, a dividing force.

Nor is reason an appropriate way to attack him either; usually pointing out what an ass (with examples) he is results in outright dismissal, or the argument that he is not really like that--he's only doing it to get elected and he will then morph into an erudite and astute politician who can effectively deal with all the problems and people the president has to deal with. In any other context, someone running as one personality and eventually serving with another one would be dismissed with derision, but here some apparently embrace it, perhaps like they're the only ones in on the joke. It doesn't make sense, but that's politics.

[wesw]

I think that you missed one of my main points, RR. the point that nothing better is being, nor has been, offered.

and , RR, I have to treat is as a joke. if I don t laugh I ll cry....

I didn t really mind being called a dumb redneck when I first got here. that was easily dismissed.

but how do you prove you aren t a Nazi, a bigot a racist?

with hate? with humour? with reason?

how do you dispute someone who says you are genocidal?

it doesn t seem to matter, so I laugh at them, at myself and at trump....

you and I have disagreed, we do disagree..., I can t recall us insulting one another.

when you have asked me reasonable questions, I have given reasonable answers, as when you asked me about trump s policy positions that I supported.

I have tried to explain his popularity and the way he thinks, reasonably, numerous times.

so I fight fire with fire of another sort.

no one is perfect. no one is always right, no one understands everything.

I have insights that others here do not, I lack insights that others here possess.

we should all be able to learn valuable things from one another...

but what do I know? I am but a simple fisherman....

when I left work to get my lung removed back in jan. 2010, I got out my soapstone and I drew a picture on the top of my rolling steel tool chest.

it was a marsh scene, with a fish jumping, and an old "gone fishin'" sign poking up out of the bank....

I didn t know if I would ever be back..., but I did come back....



it was a

[wesw]

[wesw]

[wesw]

[MajGenl.Meade]

I guess the trolley is off the track again?

[wesw]

[Lord Jim]

I see wes is trolling his own thread again...

[Bicycle Bill]

Here you go, wes; this ought to keep you occupied and out of mischief for a while.

THE TROUBLE WITH TRUMPPLES

FIND TRUMP AMONG THIS PILE OF TRIBBLES

-"BB"-

[oldr_n_wsr]

Found something for you wesw.

Why it’s time for a Trump revolution
By Michael Goodwin
March 19, 2016 |

My friends are worried about me. They insist something is not right and suggest prayer, counseling, even rehab. “Take a break,” they urge. “Get away for a few days and clear your head.”

They are wise and kind, and it would be foolish to dismiss their concerns. Truth be told, there are moments when I doubt myself. Am I making a huge mistake? Am I losing my mind?

Perhaps I am. My friends say that’s the only possible explanation for the fact that I might support Donald Trump for president.

The insanity defense is all that’s left now that the smart set has declared that it’s immoral and indecent to even think about voting for Trump. OK, call me immoral and indecent as well as crazy, because I’m thinking about it.

It’s been a long road to get here. When Trump’s name first popped up, I joked about moving to Canada. When he launched his campaign, I cursed him, certain he was going to create a circus just when Republicans finally had a strong field of candidates.

I was intrigued by many of them, starting with Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, John Kasich, Scott Walker and Jeb Bush. Others I admired while believing they wouldn’t get far — Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal, Ben Carson, Lindsey Graham, George Pataki and Carly Fiorina.

I like those Republicans even though I’m a registered Democrat, just not that kind of Democrat. I voted for President Obama in 2008, believing he meant it when he said no red states, no blue states, only the United States. The barrier he broke added to his appeal.

Six months later, I was off the bus. It was already clear Obama had no intention of building a consensus on anything, although few realized he would be such a radical and partisan polarizer. He may love America, but doesn’t seem to like actual Americans. Other than himself, of course.

With the world on fire thanks to his abdication of global leadership, and with the home front nervous and angry, the 2016 race couldn’t come soon enough. I hoped a Democrat would emerge who realized that Obama had set us on a course that was dangerous and unsustainable, with our ­national debt exceeding $18 trillion.

Clearly, neither Bernie Sanders nor Hillary Clinton is that Dem, though I’ll vote for Sanders in the New York primary just to send her a message.

Following Obama, Clinton’s election would be a calamity. She would be beholden to him, and unable to shift much from his disastrous policies. And who knows what she really believes?

Besides, if the Clintons are rewarded with the White House again, it would be impossible to demand honesty from any public official in America. She’s thoroughly corrupt and, in the memorable words of the late William Safire, a “congenital liar.” Voting for her is a give-up on the future.

So I’m stuck with Republicans, but my favorites were rejected, with only Kasich surviving by a thread. Frankly, I don’t blame voters. They’ve had it with vanilla men who play nice and quietly lose elections. If the nominee is another Mitt Romney, Clinton would win in a landslide.

As noted, I do admire Cruz, but he strikes me as more Barry Goldwater than Ronald Reagan. He’s whip smart, but too rigid ideologically and personally joyless. If I were president, I would nominate him for the Supreme Court in hopes he could fill Antonin Scalia’s shoes as the leading constitutionalist.

Which leaves only Donald J. Trump. He’s weird, erratic and I have no idea what he will say or do next. His nasty put-downs of rivals and journalists, especially Megyn Kelly, diminish him. His policies are as detailed as bumper stickers and his lack of knowledge about complex issues scares me.

If he weren’t the GOP front-runner, the gaps in his game would make it easy to dismiss him. But dismissing him requires dismissing the concerns of the 7.5 million people who have voted for him. That I can’t do.

My gut tells me much of the contempt for Trump reflects contempt for his working-class white support. It is one prejudice gentry liberals and gentry conservatives share.

It is perhaps the last acceptable bigotry, and you can see it expressed on any primetime TV program. The insults don’t all seem good-natured to me. I grew up in central Pennsylvania, surrounded by the kind of people supporting Trump, and I sympathize with their worsening plight.

For generations, they went all in for the American dream. Their families fought the wars, worked in the factories, taught school, coached Little League and built a middle-class culture. Now they are abandoned and know it.

Nobody speaks for them. The left speaks for the unions, the poor and the nonwhite, even shedding tears for illegal immigrants and rioters and looters. The GOP speaks for the Chamber of Commerce, big business and Wall Street.
Donald Trump at a rally in Utah ahead of the state’s caucuses.Photo: Getty Images
Trump alone is bringing many of these forgotten Americans into the political system, much as Obama did with millennials and black voters. Trump has done it with full-frontal attacks on lopsided trade deals and a broken immigration system. His message is a potent brew of populism and nationalism that reaches across the partisan divide, and the public response is stirring the country.

In fact, many who despise Trump concede he is right that globalization and the open-border flood of cheap labor, while benefitting many Americans, has hurt many others. But instead of working to fix a broken status quo, many on the left and right echo each other’s venomous attacks against him. One day he is Mussolini, the next he’s Hitler, and he’s routinely accused of hate speech and racism.

What is his great sin? Breaking the taboo about what ails the middle class? Daring to challenge a power system that only pretends to have the consent of the governed?

The shame is that others didn’t beat him to it.

For his chutzpah, tens of millions of dollars are being poured into attack ads against Trump, and the urgent blue-nosed concerns about dark pools of money in politics have vanished. As long as he’s the target, all is fair.

Often, the avalanche of sludge against Trump looks and sounds like a reactionary confederacy fighting to keep its power and privileges. Naturally, the mainstream ­media is slashing away.

A Washington Post editorial claims that stopping Trump is the only way to “defend our democracy.” In other words, those troublesome voters are the problem.

A New York Times columnist raised the prospect of assassination. Sure, it was a joke. Make that joke about Obama or Clinton and see who laughs.

I would be delighted to support a more conventional candidate who has Trump’s courage and appeal, but we don’t always get to pick our revolutionaries. And make no mistake, Donald Trump is leading a political revolution that is long overdue

http://nypost.com/2016/03/19/why-its-ti ... evolution/

[Bicycle Bill]

If Trump DOES get elected it might be interesting to see what OTHER type of revolutions take place.

VENEZ, MES ENFANTS!!
UNE FOIS DE PLUS AUX BARRICADES!!

-"BB"-

[wesw]

not bad oldr...., except for the part about admiring cruz.....

[Big RR]

I would be delighted to support a more conventional candidate who has Trump’s courage and appeal, but we don’t always get to pick our revolutionaries.

Perhaps, but we always do get to choose who we will follow--and IMHO Donald Trump is not worthy of anyone's allegiance, regardless of where you stand on the issues. The writer is saying "Sure he's an asshole, but he's our asshole"; hardly a reason to follow him.

[Scooter]

[Burning Petard]

"Sure he's an asshole, but he's our asshole"; hardly a reason to follow him.

He is certainly not our asshole. Everyone who has latched onto his coattails has ended up holding a tiny scrap, or a big bankrupt dept

[wesw]

so yer saying that "our asshole" is tight...


....with money?

[Scooter]

And what do real experts have to say about a Trump presidency:

Donald Trump wins the US presidential election

Moderate probability, High impact; Risk intensity = 12

March 17th 2016

Introduction
The businessman and political novice, Donald Trump, has built a strong lead in the Republican party primary, and looks the firm favourite to be the party's candidate in the US presidential election in November.

Analysis
Thus far Mr Trump has given very few details of his policies - and these tend to be prone to constant revision - but a few themes have become apparent. First, he has been exceptionally hostile towards free trade, including notably NAFTA, and has repeatedly labelled China as a "currency manipulator". He has also taken an exceptionally right-wing stance on the Middle East and jihadi terrorism, including, among other things, advocating the killing of families of terrorists and launching a land incursion into Syria to wipe out IS (and acquire its oil). In the event of a Trump victory, his hostile attitude to free trade, and alienation of Mexico and China in particular, could escalate rapidly into a trade war - and at the least scupper the Trans-Pacific Partnership between the US and 11 other American and Asian states signed in February 2016. His militaristic tendencies towards the Middle East (and ban on all Muslim travel to the US) would be a potent recruitment tool for jihadi groups, increasing their threat both within the region and beyond.

Conclusion
Although we do not expect Mr Trump to defeat his most likely Democratic contender, Hillary Clinton, there are risks to this forecast, especially in the event of a terrorist attack on US soil or a sudden economic downturn. It is worth noting that the innate hostility within the Republican hierarchy towards Mr Trump, combined with the inevitable virulent Democratic opposition, will see many of his more radical policies blocked in Congress - albeit such internal bickering will also undermine the coherence of domestic and foreign policymaking.

The risk intensity of 12 is on a scale of 1 to 25. It ranks a Trump presidency at number 6 on a list of major threats to the global economy. It is the first time that the U.S. has ranked in the top 10.

But what do they know? So long as the Trumpanzees can give vent to their frustrations by punching and kicking the crap out of defenceless blacks and Hispanics and have their messiah pay their legal bills, everything will work out for the best.

[Scooter]

so yer saying that "our asshole" is tight...

He is saying that an asshole is an asshole, and those who insist on licking it are not going to get anything for their trouble but a brown tongue.

[wesw]

I posted a post for you , RR, before all the videos....

[Scooter]