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Lord Jim wrote:
Labor creates all wealth
That's so true...

That's why whenever a group of workers gets together, a factory ready to produce a product that people want to buy magically appears for them to work in, and they instantly have the training for the skills they need to produce the product courtesy of the Skills Fairy....

And of course all productivity increases are due to workers working harder. A US assembly line worker today workers much harder than they did 100 years ago; that's the most logical explanation for why productivity is so much higher now than it was then.
By the same token, just because someone puts up a factory doesn't automatically mean that finished goods or products are going to come flowing out of it.
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Donald Trump’s Campaign Manager Charged for Grabbing Reporter

Donald Trump‘s campaign manager Corey Lewandowski has been charged by police with misdemeanor battery for allegedly grabbing a reporter in Florida earlier this month.

A new surveillance video released by the Jupiter Police Department shows the altercation, in which Lewandowski is seen grabbing Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields by the arm as she is walking along side the candidate.

Lewandowski and the Trump campaign have repeatedly denied the incident, which was also witnessed by a Washington Post reporter, ever occurred. Lewandowski called Fields “delusional” at the time.

“Mr. Lewandowski is absolutely innocent of this charge,” Trump’s campaign said in a statement Tuesday. “He will enter a plea of not guilty and looking forward to his day in court. He is completely confident that he will be exonerated.”
http://time.com/4275043/donald-trump-ca ... -reporter/
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:I understand Big RR what point the quote should be making. The point though is that it doesn't. Instead it pretends that business owners don't pay taxes at all - it specifically and deliberately says that taxes are paid by "the rest of us" - i.e. the business owner has not paid taxes, including any taxes on profits. This is a political lie/position much favored on the left.

So you can keep on pretending it doesn't until you are blue in the face... but it does

(PS I am in favor of people who earn money paying taxes and don't need leftie liars to make that point)

The taxes paid by the business owner are negligible, small by comparison over all, and non-existent before he builds the factory. All of the social and infrastructure goods were there in advance and paid for by others. A court system to enforce contracts. The schools, colleges, clinics, hospitals and vaccination campaigns which produce an educated and healthy workforce. Low crime rates brought on by a fair society with an effective social welfare system and to a far lesser degree by the machines of justice. Clean water and air, roads, safety from foreign hostile action; the last paid for by the lives of soldiers mostly from the working classes.

His contribution is tiny by comparison and his class have cut their contribution even more as Bush II has let them.

I am in favor of people who aren't as wholly ignorant about the economic realities.


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The labor theory of value is useful as an intellectual stepping stone, and it was historically valuable, but is not accepted in polite company today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... y_of_value



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Donald Trump has now gone beyond being a blowhard and a bully, and in his colossal ignorance and arrogance is now threatening to destabilize the world if he is elected president, starting with a nuclear arms race in East Asia:
Asia & Pacific
In Japan and South Korea, bewilderment at Trump’s suggestion they build nukes

By Anna Fifield March 28 at 4:48 PM

Donald Trump’s suggestion that South Korea and Japan should have their own nuclear arsenals so they can protect themselves — and so the United States doesn’t have to — has been met with bewilderment in the region.

Government officials on all three sides stressed that there would be no change in the alliance, while newspapers shook their editorial heads.

“We are dumbfounded at such myopic views of a leading candidate in the U.S. presidential race, who tries to approach such critical issues only from the perspective of expenses,” the JoongAng Ilbo, one of South Korea’s biggest newspapers, said in a punchy editorial. “Trump must refrain from his penny-wise and pound-foolish approach.”

The left-leaning Hankyoreh urged President Park Geun-hye’s administration to protest. “The South Korean government needs to express its firm opposition to Trump’s foreign policy plan, which constitutes a threat to security on the Korean Peninsula,” the paper said, warning that Trump’s comments could complicate efforts to persuade North Korea to abandon its nuclear weapons program.

The Republican presidential front-runner argues that the United States’ defense alliances with Japan and South Korea cost too much money.

The U.S. military has about 54,000 troops stationed in Japan and 28,500 in South Korea, and the alliances form the cornerstones of its military presence in Asia. The presence is meant to keep North Korea, as well as China, in check.

But Trump has been complaining that these two rich countries should be paying for their own defense.

“Now, does that mean nuclear? It could mean nuclear. It’s a very scary nuclear world,” Trump told the New York Times.

With the irascible North Korean regime threatening more nuclear and missile tests, some politicians and opinion leaders in Seoul have been talking about the need for South Korea to develop its own nuclear weapons, but this idea does not have mainstream support.

The spokesman for South Korea’s defense ministry, Moon Sang-gyun, said Monday that he had no comment on Trump’s remarks on nuclear weapons. He did, however, tell reporters that the alliance with the United States remains strong.

In Tokyo, Yoshihide Suga, the chief cabinet secretary, said there would be no change in Japan’s policy of not having nuclear weapons.

“Whoever becomes president of the United States, the Japan-U.S. alliance, based on a bilateral security agreement, will remain the core of Japan’s diplomacy,” Suga told reporters. “We will adhere to our three principles that prohibit Japan from owning, developing and transporting a nuclear arsenal.”
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You want to blow shit up? Make this idiot the president.

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rubato wrote: The taxes paid by the business owner are negligible, small by comparison over all, and non-existent before he builds the factoryy.
Business owners never paid tax before they built a factory? Another lie originating in bigotry. "Business owners" are people. They pay taxes. They pay taxes before they are business owners.

Of course, the amount of taxes I pay (as a non business owner) are negligible in comparison to all the other people paying taxes. I bet rubato doesn't pay anything more than a negligible amount toward roads, police, etc. in comparison to the total amount of expenditures paid from taxes. That's true of every single person.

Again, if all that is being discussed is that some people should pay a higher rate of taxes than they currently do, that's a discussion worth having. What's not worth having is the blind repetition of falsehoods designed to scapegoat any class of person.

Stupid claims that "business owners" don't pay taxes while the "rest of us" do are just that - stupid. To claim they didn't pay taxes before they were business owners is even more obviously moronic.
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Oh for Pete's sake! Way to deflect the the actual message into an argument over irrelevant minutiae.

Meade, NOBODY is suggesting that business owners don't pay taxes. Warren's entire point was to rebut the wealthy whiners complaining about being taxed on the wealth they "created" all by themselves through their bootstrapping and bidness smartz and their inheritances. Her entire message is summed up in the first two and last two sentences:
There is nobody in this country who got rich on their own. Nobody.

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Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea -- God bless! Keep a hunk of it, But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.
It is nothing but obfuscation and deflection to pretend your panties are in a twist because in between those sentences she didn't say "that the rest of us paid for too, and in massively greater proportion than you did, making your share of the contribution virtually negligible." Speechifying is about making a point directly that everyone understands, not belaboring the issue with footnotes and clarifications and disclaimers. Get over your nitpicking.
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Donald Trump has now gone beyond being a blowhard and a bully, and in his colossal ignorance and arrogance is now threatening to destabilize the world if he is elected president, starting with a nuclear arms race in East Asia:
Well, you can't very well expect us to keep Japan and South Korea under the protection of the US "nuclear umbrella" can you? Afterall, we need those nukes to fight ISIS:
Donald Trump Won't Rule Out Using Nukes Against ISIS

Donald Trump thinks that tactical nuclear weapons may be worth using in the war against the Islamic State.

In an interview with Mark Halperin and John Heilemann of Bloomberg, the Republican presidential frontrunner refused to rule out using tactical nuclear weapons in the war against ISIS.

“I’m never going to rule anything out—I wouldn’t want to say. Even if I wasn’t, I wouldn’t want to tell you that because at a minimum, I want them to think maybe we would use them,” he said.
http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/trump-nuc ... pons-isis/
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Where are the guys with the butterfly nets? Seriously, this nut has to be the biggest embarrassment to the Republican Party since ever. (I was gonna say "since Nixon," but he knew something about both domestic and foreign policy, and had significant achievements in both.)
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Well now don't you worry. Susan Saranson assures us that if Trump is elected the revolution will come.

Of course Trump's people have all the guns.....

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TPFKA@W wrote:Of course Trump's people have all the guns.....
Yah, I would not be too sure of that.
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I do not currently own a gun. I may take up drinking though.

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:"...

Stupid claims that "business owners" don't pay taxes while the "rest of us" do are just that - stupid. ... " .

But it is even stupider to say that someone has said that when plainly they said the opposite.


You're arguing like wes, making up horseshit and pretending that others have said it.


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Sue U wrote:Donald Trump has now gone beyond being a blowhard and a bully, and in his colossal ignorance and arrogance is now threatening to destabilize the world if he is elected president, starting with a nuclear arms race in East Asia:
.... " !

I'm surprised he didn't say he would build a wall around ISIS and N Korea and make them pay for it.


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Sue U wrote:
TPFKA@W wrote:Of course Trump's people have all the guns.....
Yah, I would not be too sure of that.
Well...at this point, the Obama administration still has all the nukes.

Just sayin'...
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rubato wrote:
Sue U wrote:Donald Trump has now gone beyond being a blowhard and a bully, and in his colossal ignorance and arrogance is now threatening to destabilize the world if he is elected president, starting with a nuclear arms race in East Asia:
.... " !

I'm surprised he didn't say he would build a wall around ISIS and N Korea and make them pay for it.


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TPFKA@W wrote:I do not currently own a gun. I may take up drinking though.
Come on girl, what's keeping you? (Guin and I have been drinking our way through the South of France for years now.)
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Sue U wrote:
TPFKA@W wrote:I do not currently own a gun. I may take up drinking though.
Come on girl, what's keeping you? (Guin and I have been drinking our way through the South of France for years now.)
Don't know how you liver to tell about it. :D

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rubato wrote:
MajGenl.Meade wrote:"... Stupid claims that "business owners" don't pay taxes while the "rest of us" do are just that - stupid. ... " .
But it is even stupider to say that someone has said that when plainly they said the opposite. You're arguing like wes, making up horseshit and pretending that others have said it.

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Go back and try reading comprehension (English). People are positively having orgasms over this piece of demonisation:

"You moved your goods to market on roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for"
Elizabeth Warren

"The taxes paid by the business owner are negligible, small by comparison over all, and non-existent before he builds the factory."
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Non-existent? Business owners pay taxes before they have a business, while they have a business and after they have a business. They pay taxes before they are business owners - assuming they ever had a job. As homeowners they pay taxes that support schools. It is absolute blatant lying falsehood crap dishonest (all of 'em) to say that "the rest of us" paid taxes, a phrase that excludes the target group.

Obviously whoever this Warren person is, she meant to say that "we all have paid for" but that doesn't suit the propaganda. Obviously you didn't mean that people who own businesses have never paid taxes until they own a business. But you too love the propaganda.
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Okay, you're trying to educate rubato on the topic of basic economics...

Before you do that, I suggest you work up to it with a less vexing challenge...

Teach this fellow to do all the dance moves to The Lindy Hop:

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