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Reality Bytes wrote:I'm not a happy camper either Jim - worst possible result for the country 5 more years of watching them steal and sell more of our public assets 5 more years of them privatising the NHS 5 more years of them cutting benefits for the disabled and 5 more years of them expecting third sector agencies to provide statutory services whilst slashing their budgets by 25% or more per year. I am completely disgusted this morning.
Oh, so they are Republicans? 8-)

Sorry, RB. I was very sad to hear the results this morning. :(
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Lord Jim wrote: I don't imagine this is making our Miss Daisy a happy camper... 8-)
No shit Sherlock. :?

More people voted against Tory than for but we still ended up with the heartless cunts running the country.

I despair.

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No shit Sherlock. :?

More people voted against Tory than for but we still ended up with the heartless cunts running the country.

I despair.
My my, such language...

Do you kiss your mother with that potty mouth? :D

Well, that's what you get for "first past the post"... 8-)

But don't despair...

You'll have a proper Tory Government... :ok
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"no shit Sherlock" my dad used to say that, Daisy. he was from a place called deal island and had a lot of old sayings. I m curious as to what part of the UK you are from. I ve seen a documentary about the language patterns/dialects of the islands of the Chesapeake bay, and supposedly they are the closest to the dialects of somewhere in colonial era England, cockney IIRC. maybe I ll start a thread with the old sayings I learned from him, I try to keep them alive by repeating them but most are off color and some aren t PC at all, not really malicious tho, funny

wes

eta-I ve noticed some of the same sayings and speech patterns on "fools and Horses"

eta- the town I grew up in, Salisbury, MD , isn t on the islands but its close enough, and its old by American standard. we celebrated the tri=sesquicentennial (sp?, 350) back in the 80 s. Anyway..., some of the guys I grew up with, from the old local working class families, said "fink" instead of think like cockney folks.

eta- obviously no shit Sherlock isn t that(italics) old...
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Daisy wrote:
More people voted against Tory than for but we still ended up with the heartless cunts running the country.

I despair.
More people voted for UKIP (1 seat,) than Scots Nats (56 seats.) More people voted Green (1 seat,) than DUP (8 seats.)

Time for proportional representation Daisy? (UKIP would have got 85 seats if so! ;) )
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331 seats in Commons.. :ok
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Just. Fuck. Off! :D
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Another group that has egg all over their collective faces are the pollsters...

In the final 24 hours prior to the vote no fewer than eleven polls had Labour and the Conservatives in a dead heat...a couple of points apart, most with Labour having a slight edge...

As they had been in the polls for months...

The last prediction of seats I saw, had the Tories with 276 seats, and Labour with 267...

Most of the "prognosticators" were saying, "Well, even though the Conservatives are likely to have a slight edge in seats over Labour, the Labourites will most likely have a better chance at forming the next government... in any event a Hung Parliament is a virtual certainty, and it will take weeks to know what the next Government will be..."

NO ONE expected such a clear-cut outright Tory victory...not even the Tories...

Even Her Majesty thought it would take at least few days before Cameron or Two Kitchens would show up to go through the ritual of asking her permission to form a Government...

She cut her stay at Balmoral short to come back to Buckingham Palace to receive Mr. Cameron...

it will be interesting (to a political junkie like me anyway) to drill down in the numbers to try to figure out how so many people could have been so wrong, and what accounted for the unexpected Tory Tidal Wave...
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More people voted against Tory than for
Daze, isn't that the way your system works?

When was the last time a UK government was voted in with more than 50% of the popular vote? (I'm guessing you'd have to go back quite a number of years...)

I recall Mrs.Thacher being voted in with huge parliamentary majorities (over 100 in at least one election) with national popular vote totals in the 42-43 percent range...(meaning that well over 50% voted for someone else)

The same thing with huge parliamentary majorities for Labour under Mr. Blair...

Under your system, if a party gets over 40% they pretty much win a landslide, even though around 60% voted for somebody else...(In this case the Tories got about 37%, so it while it was a strong victory, it wasn't a landslide)

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Just out of curiosity, if by some miracle Two Kitchens had managed to lead Labour to 42% of the vote, and had won a big left-leaning majority in parliament, would you be upset about the fact that would have meant 58% voted for somebody else? ...

I'm guessing no... ;)
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http://newsthump.com/2015/05/08/everyon ... -pig-shit/

Some of you may agree :mrgreen:
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Everyone thick as pig shit
May 8, 2015
The British public are as thick as fucking pig shit, it has been confirmed this morning.

When voters were asked to choose between lots and lots of pain and slightly less pain, a majority asked if they could have the options explained again more slowly.

The night with red faces in the Labour camp and Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee refusing to down from the roof of a multi-storey car park in Islington.

Experts put the low turnout reported in some areas down to the fact that most voters thought the election was on Friday.

And the wildly inaccurate polls that preceded the vote were explained when computer-illiterate pollsters admitted to adding things up on their fingers.

Political analyst, Simon Williams, said, “Even an amoeba is able to respond to an unpleasant stimulus such as Ian Duncan Smith’s opinions by adopting a worried face and scurrying away in the opposite direction.”

‘However, if you take the metaphorical amoeba that is the British public and repeat the same repulsive codswallop, it just sits there with a big stupid grin all over its rudimentary face.’

‘In some cases it even moves closer.’

Williams blames what he calls the Fifty Shades effect, insisting the public are either stupid or masochistic or both.

He added, “The last five years of coalition government can be compared to a badly-written sex scene, which the British public is gleefully consuming with one hand.”
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Good Lord, that article is really the work of the south end of a north bound horse...

What a pungent load of sophomoric, arrogant, condescending, "people are too stupid to know what's good for them" bitter, sour grapes hoo haa...










In fact it's so bad, it reads like something rube could have written.... 8-)
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Wes I'm from Oldham in Lancashire, an area that was devastated by Thatcher and her cabal back in the 80's. My dad brought four of us up on a council estate on benefits after my mother bogged off so I know what it's like to have nowt.

Whilst me and hubby might be marginally better off under a Tory government, I judge politicians on how they treat societies poorest and weakest, not on how much more I might have in my purse.

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interesting daisy. I went to google maps and clicked Oldham, and I landed right on Clegg street, hit union to huddersfield rd, went thru the National Park and got to right to Holmfirth!

I m a big Summer Wine fan, seen every episode and special. the people remind me of the older folks I grew up with. maybe I ll do a street view walking tour later.

anyway..., I couldn t tell how far from you that was, as the scale on google maps didn t seem to function properly, I would zoom in and out and the scale remained the same, it appeared to be right up the road...

I don t want to butt into English politics and don t really have an educated opinion on them, but...

....when I watch the early episode of Summer Wine, mid '70 s era, the area seemed well devastated, economically, at that time already. I know it s just a show, but the early episodes seemed to have a social statement within them. redundancy, decline, disallusionment. (sp)

curious as to your view...

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Lord Jim wrote:Good Lord, that article is really the work of the south end of a north bound horse...

What a pungent load of sophomoric, arrogant, condescending, "people are too stupid to know what's good for them" bitter, sour grapes hoo haa...
Up until recently I might have agreed with you but my state just voted down a tax increase 4:1 to fix the roads in a deal that all politician on both sides including chambers of commerce unions and a whole lot of other groups said was a pretty good deal in and environment that the vast majority of voters support a tax hike to fix the roads.

Why did it fail so badly? I dare say it's a valid reason. Voters were pissed that instead of the legislature (due to gerrymandering filled with tea party assholes) were afraid to actually raise taxes on thier own and devised a plan that would include a state sales tax hike so it would have to be voted on.

The problem is the roads are fucked and instead of realizing this is the best deal possible given the situation (tea party types are already using this vote to say we don't want any tax hike) they'd send a message to the legislature to stop being the jackasses that they are. Politics is the art of the possible something that the tea party and Michigan voters just don't understand. And people say that our officials don't represent us.


Oh and did I mention that the roads are still fucked with no fix in sight? We had to have a 5 month delay just for the vote.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Oh, LJ...
UK Spoof News and Satire = NewsThump

Oh, CP...
my state just voted down a tax increase
(They sent)
a message to the legislature
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Michigan voters just don't understand
Well, the voters might just have understood very well. Apparently they voted the way they intended to vote, delivered a message and you're only pissed off because you don't like it. Fair enough, of course but it doesn't mean the voters (but only those who didn't vote the way you did, naturally) are "too stupid etc."
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My point is they chose to send a message instead of fixing the roads. Instead of fixing the problem they chose to send an ambiguous message that history has shown will be interpreted in any fashion but the intent.

If the ship is sinking what would you do fix the problem or write an angry letter to the crew?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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wesw wrote:....when I watch the early episode of Summer Wine, mid '70s era, the area seemed well devastated, economically, at that time already. I know it s just a show, but the early episodes seemed to have a social statement within them. redundancy, decline, disillusionment.
curious as to your view...
My cousin and his family have lived in the town for over thirty years. Like any old town in England (are there any other kind?) there are areas in degrees of decline and disrepair. However, and for the most part, the town is clean and robust and a nice place to live and work.

Spend a few days there next time you're in the region. Stop in any pub and you'll get a cultural slice of Yorkshire English life that you can't get in cosmopolitan London. The real "Labour Party" England.

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An open letter from the Reverend Mike Walsh, The United Reformed Church
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Dear Prime Minister,

I don't know if you will ever read this, but I have some things I wish to say to you.

You have won the General Election and command a majority in the House of Commons, and as such will feel you have a legitimate mandate to govern. However, you must also know that you don't command a majority of the British people.

Although our political views are very much at odds on many issues, I'm willing to believe that you are a good man, as sure of your ideals as I am of mine, and believe your plan is what's best for us all. You said today that you will govern for the whole country and bring back together that which has clearly fractured. I hope you will.

But Prime Minister, though you can obviously see your party did not win the confidence of Scotland and huge swathes of the north of England, I'm not sure your party quite understands why. It's not because we're all 'loony-left' or extremists and nationalists, it's because so many of us are scared. Scared of what your policies will do to our communities and families. Scared of what will happen to our health service and our schools. Scared of losing our family homes for the sake of a few quid saving from the bedroom tax, or not being able to heat our home and have enough left to buy food.

I don't disagree with you that the best way out of poverty is to work, nor do I think that people should get something for nothing and expect the tax-payer to support people indefinitely if they are able to work. Who would think that that was OK and fair?

But your party's policies on these issues, couched in terms of reducing the deficit and balancing the books, don't seem to take into account the social and human cost of such actions. The country isn't a business, it's its people. All its people. And you are everyone's Prime Minister whether we voted for you or not.

You said today you will govern for everyone and unite the country. I hope you do. But to be able to do so you need to make it a priority in your first 100 days, to spend time in Scotland visiting people on zero hours contracts. Come to Manchester and talk with those who have been sanctioned for having a spare room, but have nowhere else to go. Go to Liverpool and meet people with disabled dependents who can't afford even one nanny, or to Newcastle and talk to people still living in poverty due to the demise of the coal industry. Spend a week or two living on the minimum wage, or volunteer in a food bank for a whole day.

Then Prime Minister you might begin to understand the cost of your policies from the other side, to see people as more than their net contribution to the economy, or as deliberate drains on the system. If you do that, then maybe you can heal some of the fractures in our society. Without this I just don't believe you can see just how crucial these issues are.

So please Prime Minister, leave Westminster for a few hours a week and truly strive to govern for all of us.

If you would like our Prime Minister to read this too, please share on your timeline, it spreads it further than just hitting 'like'.
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Crackpot wrote: If the ship is sinking what would you do fix the problem or write an angry letter to the crew?
I'd dress as a woman and speak in a high-pitched voice
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So that explains you moving back to SA.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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