Really...The former thread refers to the actions of the State of Israel which is distinguishable from Judaism,
Lord Jim wrote:Really...The former thread refers to the actions of the State of Israel which is distinguishable from Judaism,
Would you care to explain then why the phrase "the State of Israel" appears nowhere, and instead you used the phrase, "their religion"...
I'm sure you have an excellent explanation; I can't wait to see it...
) Wes, I stand by what I said earlier:Jim, the fact that you (italics) don t seem to believe in a govt. of , by , and for the people is extremely disheartening.
Lord Jim wrote:Wes, that way lies madness......maybe we should have the full fledged convention of the states.
You seem to have a naive (almost "hippie") type view that a "Constitutional Convention" would be populated by some idealic amalgamation of "ordinary citizens"... Farmers, plumbers, butchers, bakers and candle stick makers, all coming together to do what is "best" for America...
The reality is that such a confab would be nothing of the sort...
It would be populated entirely by our current political class....
And at the end of the day, (which would probably take 10-15 years) they would disgorge a monstrosity of a "Constitution" that would run to several thousand pages...
I'll stick with the one produced by the political class we had in the late 1700's, thank you very much...
wesw wrote:man, Christians invented anti-Semitism?
there were a lot of wars against the jews before jesus was born. I m sure at least some of those folks hated jews.
Lord Jim wrote:LMAO!!!
What a shameless liar you are rube...
I always include the link; anyone can see the context for themselves:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8956&p=113300&hili ... on#p113300
If you wanted to make a point about "the state of Israel" then why did you say in so many words, "it is tied to their religion"?
You didn't say "it is tied to the state of Israel" or "it is tied to Israeli policies"...
No, you, again, verbatim quote, said "it is tied to their religion"...
I'm going to throw you a bone here rube, and give you a way out (though I know you're too insecure to take it
Try this:
"I screwed up; I didn't mean to say that racism is tied to the Jewish religion. (Which obviously is what I in fact said) I meant to say that I believe racism is tied to the policies of the Israeli government. I apologize for misstating what I intended to say."
But frankly, I don't think this just another case of your congenital inability to admit to any error, no matter how blatant it might be...
In this case, I believe you said exactly what you meant to say...
A rare moment of true honesty....
ETA:
And just remind you yet again rube:
Any time you decide to start talking about anti-semitism, you can expect to see that verbatim quote of yours with the link to the full context reposted...
You may rely upon it...
Until of course, you admit what you said, say that wasn't what you meant to say, and apologize for it...
(see Rose Bowl Queen, Lord Jim's chances of being chosen...)
Lord Jim wrote: Just in case you missed it rube, here it is again:
The racism towards blacks is contiguous with their racism towards Palestinians (both Christian and Muslim). And it is tied to their religion.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8956&p=113300&hilit=their+religion#p113300
Waiting, waiting, waiting....
That's what you provide in lieu of an actual on point response...Sober up. It's still morning. The context of the thread is clear enough. One post is not the whole of the context.
yrs,
rubato
In what "context" does saying that racism is tied to a "religion" not refer to the "religion"?The racism towards blacks is contiguous with their racism towards Palestinians (both Christian and Muslim). And it is tied to their religion.
As an aside: My dad studied forensic pathology under Thomas Noguchi who I met at a concert of the Wakita ensemble at the Koyasan where my father played shakuhachi. Decades later my wife was a medical student at USC and was lectured by Noguchi who was showing slides including one of the SLA shootout and fire. She being an older medical student recognized the picture immediately for what it was.Move to Los Angeles and police shootout
Emily Harris 1975 mugshot
The SLA believed that its future depended on its ability to acquire new members, and realized that, because of the killing of Marcus Foster, few if any people in the Bay Area underground wished to join them. Cinque suggested moving the organization to his former neighborhood in Los Angeles, where he had friends whom they might recruit. However, they relocated in a sloppy manner and had much difficulty in becoming established on their new turf. The SLA relied on commandeering housing and supplies in Los Angeles, and thus alienated the people who were ensuring their secrecy and protection. At this stage, the imprisoned SLA member Russell Little said that he believed the SLA had entirely lost sight of its goals and had entered into a confrontation with the police rather than a political dialogue with the public.[4]
On May 16, 1974, "Teko" and "Yolanda" (William and Emily Harris) entered Mel's Sporting Goods Store in the Los Angeles suburb of Inglewood, California to shop for supplies. While Yolanda made the purchases, Teko on a whim decided to shoplift socks.[4] When a security guard confronted him, Teko brandished a revolver. The guard knocked the gun out of his hand and placed a handcuff on William's left wrist. Hearst, on armed lookout from the group's van across the street, began shooting up the store's overhead sign. Everyone in the store but the Harrises took cover, and the Harrises fled the store and drove off with Hearst.
As a result of the SLA's botched shoplifting incident, the police acquired the address of the safehouse from a parking ticket in the glove box of the van (the vehicle had been abandoned). The rest of the SLA fled the safehouse when they saw the events on the news. The SLA took over a house occupied by Christine Johnson and Minnie Lewisin. One of the people in the house at the time was a then-17-year-old neighbor named Brenda Daniels, who was sleeping on the couch. Daniels recalls the events that day:
I went down to Minnie's every Thursday evening to play some cards and drink a little. I fell asleep early and when I woke up around two A.M. I saw four white women and three dudes—two blacks and one white. I saw guns spread out all over the floor, an' I asked them why they had guns, more than I'd ever seen in my life. They didn't answer, and, instead, the black dude asked me my name and then introduced me to everyone.
[When asked if Patty Hearst was there]
Man, how can I tell? All white women look the same to me.
— Brenda Daniels[13]
The next day, an anonymous phone call to the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) stated that several heavily armed people were staying at the caller's daughter's house. That afternoon, more than 400 LAPD officers, under the command of Captain Mervin King, along with the FBI, California Highway Patrol, and Los Angeles Fire Department surrounded the neighborhood. The leader of a SWAT team used a bullhorn to announce, "Occupants of 1466 East 54th Street, this is the Los Angeles Police Department speaking. Come out with your hands up!" A young child walked out, along with an older man. The man stated that no one else was in the house, but the child intervened stating that several people were in the house with guns and ammo belts. After several more attempts to get anyone else to leave the house, a member of the SWAT team fired tear gas projectiles into the house. This was answered by heavy bursts of automatic gunfire, and a battle began.
Two hours later, the house caught fire. Two women left from the rear of the house and one came out the front (she had come in drunk the previous night, passed out, and woken up in the middle of the siege); all were taken into custody, but were found not to be SLA members. Automatic weapons fire continued from the house. At this point, Nancy Ling Perry and Camilla Hall came out of the house. Investigators working for their parents would claim that they walked out intending to surrender and that they were unarmed but police later stated that Hall was shot in the head by police as she charged towards them and Perry was providing covering fire.[13] After Hall's body fell to the ground, it was pulled back inside the burning house by Angela Atwood. Perry followed Hall out of the house and was shot twice in the back. Her body remained outside the house.[14]
The rest died inside, from smoke inhalation, burns and gunshot wounds. The coroner's report concluded that Donald DeFreeze committed suicide. After the shooting stopped and the fire was extinguished, 19 firearms—including rifles, pistols, and shotguns—were recovered. Several thousands of rounds had been fired out of the house by the SLA and police in response had fired several thousands of rounds into the house. This remains one of the largest police shootouts in history with a reported total of over 9,000 rounds being fired. Every round fired by SLA members at the police missed the officers.
The SLA dead were: Nancy Ling Perry ("Fahizah"), Angela Atwood ("General Gelina"), Camilla Hall ("Gabi"), Willie Wolfe ("Kahjoh", misspelled by the media at the time as "Cujo",[15] Donald DeFreeze ("Cinque"), and Patricia Soltysik ("Mizmoon," "Zoya"). Most of the bodies were found huddled in a crawl space under the house, which had burned down around them.
New broadcasting technology (smaller portable cameras and more nimble and versatile mobile units that made it easier to cover unfolding news events) had recently been acquired by area TV stations, so Hearst and the Harrises were able to watch the televised siege live from their hotel room in Anaheim.
Next to me, you have the integrity of smegma. Try your hardest to get the order right.Why are you unable to argue honestly? You merely lie and weasel-word. You say "before 1936" a nonsensical date, then "when they were rounded up"
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising made not a whit of difference to the Germans and nearly every one of the ghetto's remaining residents was either killed outright or shipped off to the extermination camps. (The Germans had already sent 300,000 to be "resettled" before the uprising even took place.) The resistance was thoroughly crushed in a few weeks, inflicting minimal casualties on the Germans while more than 55,000 Jews were dead or captured. The importance of the uprising was solely in public relations and propaganda.MajGenl.Meade wrote:However, just to make a point - Warsaw Ghetto. Did the Germans have an easy time rounding up those Jews? Was it a cakewalk? Sure, the good guys lost out in the end - but then so did almost all those who went like lambs.
In my view, the Warsaw Ghetto resistance proves that guns make a difference - maybe not in outcome but definitely in pain on the oppressors
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