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I wish I could see whatever that is, Econo. :shrug
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I managed to open the image.

MAGA 2020

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Here's a similar image; the one I posted before was worded slightly different and the last line of it was
"THIS. IS. NOT. NORMAL."


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dales -
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Does this work?

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Back to 'The Fith Risk' by Michael Lewis. It is a very scary and readable book. I hope somebody, putting together the administration after the 2020 elections, puts Max Stier on the white house staff. Here is a quote from a review on Amazon:

"I got about halfway through the book when I realized its value exceeded “Fire and Fury” and, even, “Fear.” Thus, I stopped reading long enough to order the Audible edition. For me, “The Fifth Risk” may not have the headline-grabbing gossip of “Fire and Fury.” It may not have the inside story of “Fear.” Lewis’s “The Fifth Risk” is the sharpest, most USEFUL insight into how the Trump Administration can be fixed and into the lessons learned we citizens should DEMAND be implemented to repairing our republic. Remember, as shown in this book, not all blame can be attributed to Trump, the republicans, the democrats or even the media. Each of us shares some responsibility." Andy Anderson.

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Sen Elizabeth Warren has taken a DNA test in response to Trump's ceaseless 'Pocahontas' taunts, and it reveals a distant Native American ancestor. She has released the results. Trump promised $1 million to charity if she would do so.

According to CNN, the ever-reliable Kellyanne Conway has responded: " "I haven't looked at the test," Conway said. "I know that everybody likes to pick their junk science and sound science depending on the conclusion it seems some days. But I haven't looked at the DNA test and it really doesn't interest me to be frank with you." "

I know that we Brits often say that Americans don't get irony. Like most memes, there's a grain of truth there, but only a grain. But there's much more than a grain of irony in that statement.

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More than a grain my friend. Kellyanne "Alternate Facts" Conway complaining about junk science? You could press a lifetime supply of Don't Tread On Me flags with that irony.

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Proof positive. All of the T's and C's are in the right place. Warren is 1/32 Native American. Do we need to know any more than this? Pay up "Orange Face."

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Good for her! :ok :lol:


I’ve been wondering for a while if she would take this step ; she’s legitimate as an effective politician either way, but it’s nice that her oral family history bore itself out to be true and I’m sure many Indian people will see her as more of a champion knowing she is kin.
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Now the Trumpster is claiming he never made that challenge. What a coward. Which explains why wes admires him so much.
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Just like he never said Mexico would pay for the wall.

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I've heard and read that her DNA test shows she has possible Native American history from 6 to 10 generations ago and I've seen the figure that makes her possibly 1/1024th Native American. If that's accurate, according to AncestryDNA, I'm potentially 3072 times more African than she is Native American and I can't even dance...

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Joe Guy, I call you for 'weasel words.' Possible. Possibly. Potentially

Potentially, It is possible, that I am possibly the Queen of Sheba.

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Anything is possibly possible, potentially.

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So, why do you ask, Functioning Rubber?

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Ruth H. Hopkins @RuthHHopkins Follow Read on Twitter

I am Dakota & Lakota. We are Oceti Sakowin (The Great Sioux Nation). There are 7 bands within our nation. 2 of those bands make up the tribe I am enrolled in, the Sisseton Wahpeton. We are small. There are roughly 15,000 of us alive.

To be a member of my tribe, rules state you must be a minimum of 1/4 blood quantum. Who’s to say what the future holds, but in mankind survives another hundred years & rules remain the same, it is safe to say my descendants will be unenrollable.

I have close relatives today who cannot be enrolled, but to me they are nonetheless Native. My future descendants may look like Elizabeth Warren or Kyrie Irving, or anywhere in between. They will still be my children.

Do I want my descendants regardless of color or blood quantum to remember and honor me? Absolutely. In fact, honoring your ancestors is part of the Oceti Sakowin belief system. And I will love them just the same & look after them from the spirit world like my ancestors do for me.

Bear in mind, honoring ones ancestors does not include wearing stereotypical costumes or declaring yourself a shaman.
Does having a Native ancestor give you the right to speak for all Natives? No. Does it give you the right to breach cultural and ceremonial protocols? No.

Regardless of the racial makeup of my descendants & whether they’re enrolled, I hope they’ll embrace my memory & be proud that they come from people of Little Crow, Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, and Inkpaduta, and all of the unnamed grandmothers who were the backbone of our Nation.

I hope that my descendants, regardless of color or whether they’re enrolled, embrace our ancestral instructions, Oceti Sakowin values like bravery & honesty, and sustainable living.

And if my children or grandchildren come to me worried that they’ve fallen in love with someone who is the ‘wrong’ color, I will say be with them for love, regardless of color, creed, sex, or gender. And if they have children, enrollment be damned.

Colonialism has made a mess of tribal identity. Legally, Natives (i.e. American Indians) are only those enrolled in federally recognized tribes.
In precolonial times, intermarriage between tribes was common. One could become a member of a tribe with no blood ties and just by living with them, speaking the language & being a part of that society- like the Cherokee Freedmen.

Native people have been through so much. Genocide is ongoing. Our children were stolen, members were relocated & disconnected through no fault of their own. These people should be able to come home. It would mend the sacred hoop.

I cannot bear to shame anyone for being proud of their Native heritage. When do ancestors become irrelevant? Never. Not in our way.
My People are naturally inclusive. We love making relatives. We even have a ceremony for it, that is as ancient as the sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe. We can adopt people this way, it is called, hunka.

There is no such thing as 3/5ths of a person, or 1/2 a person, or a 1/4 or a person, and so forth. You are or you aren’t. That is natural law.
One more thing. Having no Native ancestry does not preclude you from being a Native ally. We are all human beings made of stardust.

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I really appreciate that piece and agree with the content - sadly, the intention of the federal government's policies toward Native Americans is to reduce their numbers to nothing over the generations.

I think I've said here before that I was also raised with family oral history of a Wampanoag ancestor in my lineage some generations back; when I finally got my DNA results I was sad to learn that probably wasn't true. I was proud to consider myself a relation, but am still proud to be an ally to Native Americans who I have lived with and worked with closely and whose family values I found to be much stronger in general than many white Americans I've known.

Elizabeth Warren in my senator and I admire her in many ways; she's tough and her work on behalf of consumers and workers is a legacy of which to be proud. That said, even if she grew up with a stronger family oral history of Native American (Cherokee?) ancestry than I did (in my conservative family it was referred to as the "Indian in the woodpile" by most and not so much to be celebrated, sadly), I don't really understand her having checked the box next to Native American in her academic or other professional careers. She must have been intelligent enough to understand affirmative action and what those boxes were for, and no matter how much her family talked about the Cherokee great-great-great granny, surely she had to understand that she wasn't Native American by any stretch of imagination that applies to checking a box on a college or job application? I'm very liberal and I support Elizabeth Warren as my senator, but I'm not going to defend her on this point. Frankly I'm confused by it and wish she would articulate her reasoning for doing that in some way that could explain it, but perhaps it's really just an instance of very poor judgment.

She IS apparently as Native American as she held herself out to be in conversations (a distant relation), so on that note she is right and Trump is wrong - but he's only looking at it from the perspective of her checking the box and listing herself as minority faculty when she clearly is not. And all of his followers only see if that way, and on this one point, I can see their frustration. It's probably true that she gained no advantage from her holding herself out as Native American, but that doesn't matter now because the issue will forever be clouded.

I like Elizabeth Warren, but I'm not excited about her as a presidential candidate because I think this controversy would be too distracting on the national stage. I'm okay with her staying in the Senate seat for Massachusetts for a long time to come.
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