pool for hillary s withdrawal date....

[Lord Jim]

State Department’s account of e-mail request differs from Clinton’s

Throughout the controversy over her use of a private e-mail system while she was secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton has described her decision last year to turn over thousands of work-related e-mails as a response to a routine-sounding records request.

“When we were asked to help the State Department make sure they had everything from other secretaries of state, not just me, I’m the one who said, ‘Okay, great, I will go through them again,’ ” Clinton said Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “And we provided all of them.”

But State Department officials provided new information Tuesday that undercuts Clinton’s characterization. They said the request was not simply about general rec­ord-keeping but was prompted entirely by the discovery that Clinton had exclusively used a private e-mail system. They also said they first contacted her in the summer of 2014, at least three months before the agency asked Clinton and three of her predecessors to provide their e-mails.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

[rubato]

Yet another chapter of "Swift boat veterans for batshit bullshit".


If you had anything of substance you would be promoting that. Still more nothing.





yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

LMAO

Yeah, The Washington Post and Obama's State Department, two well known members of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy...

I'd suggest that you actually trying learning something about the issues involved with this, and reading up on the news about it before you keep mindlessly dismissing each new revelation as a right wing smear, but I might as well ask my dogs to learn how to play the saxophone...

[BoSoxGal]

She should have used her .gov address; it was dumb not to, but I don't think she was doing anything nefarious. Her awkward handling of responding to questions about the whole matter has really damaged her credibility, however.

What strikes me as funny is that we have this investigation going on into whether classified info might have been contained within emails on her private server, but the absence of any evidence of any kind of actual breach of security - security protocol, maybe, but not that anything was hacked or exposed.

Meanwhile 5 million fingerprints were stolen from government databases? How many social security numbers and other private personnel information reported hacked a couple of months ago?

Say what you will about Hillary but the hypocrisy is really something else - where is the Republican outrage over those security breaches? Maybe I don't watch enough TV but I don't recall seeing that stuff mentioned much at all.

Probably because of all Trump, all the time.

[Guinevere]

http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/201 ... h-yourself

Pretty much what Econo has been pointing out all along.

If You Accuse Hillary Clinton of Lying, You Should Be Careful With the Truth Yourself
—Kevin Drum on Wed. September 23, 2015 8:09 PM PDT

I was noodling around this afternoon and decided to check out Drudge. Hmmm. A picture of Obama with 'horns' next to the pope. Some nutcases in California think the drought is part of a government weather-control conspiracy. China wants to control the internet. Obama has blocked a 13-year-old critic from following him on Twitter. Standard Drudge stuff. Then this: "FOURNIER: Come clean or get out..."

Ho hum. It was pretty obvious what the Fournier column was about, since he's been obsessed about Hillary's email server for months, but I went ahead and clicked anyway. I was pretty taken aback. He made three points at the top of the column:

"The State Department confirmed that Clinton turned over her email only after Congress discovered that she had exclusively used a private email system."
Nope. Fournier is referring to last night's Washington Post story, which says the State Department discovered it didn't know where Clinton's emails were. (Or Condi Rice's. Or Colin Powell's. Or Madeleine Albright's. Or much of anyone else's apparently.) Clinton turned over her emails when State asked for them.

"A federal court has helped uncover more emails related to the Benghazi raid that were withheld from congressional investigators. Clinton has insisted she turned over all her work-related email and complied with congressional subpoenas. Again, she hasn’t been telling the truth."
This is flatly false. The linked Politico story says nothing about Clinton not turning over all her work emails. It says only that the State Department has claimed executive privilege for a few documents—something with no relation at all to Hillary Clinton. From Politico: "The FOIA lawsuits provide a vehicle to force the agency to identify those emails, although the substance of the messages is not disclosed."

"The FBI has recovered personal and work-related e-mails from her private server....The FBI has moved beyond whether U.S. secrets were involved to how and why. In the language of law enforcement, the FBI is investigating her motive."
I guess this isn't flatly false, but "how and why" were words used by Bloomberg's reporter in the linked story. There didn't seem to be any special significance attached to them, and it's the airiest kind of speculation to say this means the FBI is investigating Clinton's motive. They've consistently said that she's not the subject of a criminal investigation. Why would they be investigating motive if they're not investigating any underlying crime?

That's three stories linked to, and all three were described in a badly misleading way. This is one of the reasons I usually pay so little attention to the Hillary email affair.1 It's been months now, and there's simply no evidence of anything other than unwise email practices and an unfortunate but instinctive defensiveness from Clinton over trivial matters. At some point, when nothing more comes up, it becomes clear that this is just the usual Clinton Derangement Syndrome at work. We passed that point a while ago.

Fournier has all but shouted that he's never trusted the Clintons and never will, and that's why he's so obsessive about this stuff. We all need a hobby, I guess. Still, he's a reporter. Deliberately distorting his descriptions of news accounts in the hope that no one will bother clicking on them is a bridge too far. He repeatedly claims that Hillary is lying, but Fournier is living in a glass house.

1Except today, I guess. But it's just an odd coincidence that this is my third post of the day on this "scandal."

[wesw]

well that s that then....

[Guinevere]

Oh, I'm not blocked? I know, you just can't quit me.

[Lord Jim]

Fournier is referring to last night's Washington Post story, which says the State Department discovered it didn't know where Clinton's emails were. (Or Condi Rice's. Or Colin Powell's. Or Madeleine Albright's. Or much of anyone else's apparently.)

Uhh, no, actually that's not what The Post story said. Here again is what The Post story said:

State Department’s account of e-mail request differs from Clinton’s

Throughout the controversy over her use of a private e-mail system while she was secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton has described her decision last year to turn over thousands of work-related e-mails as a response to a routine-sounding records request.

“When we were asked to help the State Department make sure they had everything from other secretaries of state, not just me, I’m the one who said, ‘Okay, great, I will go through them again,’ ” Clinton said Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “And we provided all of them.”

But State Department officials provided new information Tuesday that undercuts Clinton’s characterization. They said the request was not simply about general rec­ord-keeping but was prompted entirely by the discovery that Clinton had exclusively used a private e-mail system. They also said they first contacted her in the summer of 2014, at least three months before the agency asked Clinton and three of her predecessors to provide their e-mails.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

Mr. Drum needs to learn to Be More Careful With The Truth Himself....

[wesw]

mother jones should stick to organic gardening, solar power , and marijuana legalization.

then they d have my support, and would be doing something useful....

[dales]

APRIL 15, 2016

[wesw]

ok happy campers!

your choices are narrowing...

the calendar is filling up fast....get your vote in now!

here s the rundown....

dales has just claimed april 2016 for his very own...., no, no dales, you don t have to mark your territory that way...., now we need a new calendar....

meade has February 2016, and a cold hard month it is,,,, fitting...

and me? ever the optimist, I have November.....2015

get your votes in now!

sorry, but I ate the giant pot cookie last night.....

[oldr_n_wsr]

November 8, 2016

[wesw]

okay!

oldr is in!

nov 2016.

[wesw]

on a Friday, with the pope, Xi, and Boehner clouding the news cycle, the state dept releases 900 previously un disclosed e mails about libya to the congressional committee ....

we are gonna need a bigger bus......

[Gob]

March 30 th. 2016

3.55 pm

[Joe Guy]

Hillary will withdraw on July 24th 2016, just before the DNC when she realizes that Joe Biden is going to be nominated. Then she will consider being VP but realize that she would be no help so she will drop out of politics and take a job as a Walmart Greeter in Topeka, Kansas. She will eventually be pardoned by Biden for her illegal email usage.

[Lord Jim]

take a job as a Walmart Greeter

No way...

Walmart Greeters are expected to warm and friendly; she's not qualified....

[Lord Jim]

And in the latest Hillary News...

Bernie Sanders Pulls Closer To Hillary Clinton In New Presidential Poll

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) narrowed the gap with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.

In the poll, conducted among Democratic primary voters Sept. 20-24, Clinton led Sanders 42 percent to 35 percent. While the new poll isn't necessarily an indicator of who will win the contest, the 7-point difference shows a big change from just two months ago. In July, Clinton led Sanders by 34 percentage points, with 59 percent to his 25 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ber ... 3706dc86aa

Bernie Sanders Eclipses Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire Poll

As summer turned to fall, a chilly wind was blowing in New Hampshire for Hillary Rodham Clinton: A new poll on Thursday showed Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont surging ahead of Mrs. Clinton with 46 percent of the vote to 30 percent for her.

The poll, by the University of New Hampshire for CNN and WMUR, found that even if Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. entered the race, he would not garner nearly enough support to win or change the dynamic of the race. Just 14 percent of likely Democratic primary voters said they would back Mr. Biden. If Mr. Biden does not run, the poll suggests that more of his supporters would back Mrs. Clinton, but not enough to put her over the top.

There does not appear to be a groundswell of support in New Hampshire for a Biden run — 37 percent said he should run, but 32 percent said he should not.

Mr. Sanders has a strong lead over Mrs. Clinton among men and is nearly tied with her for support among women. He also bests her in personal traits: Voters view her as the least honest and least likable of the major candidates.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-d ... hire-poll/

Hillary Clinton Personally Signed Off on Job Change for Huma Abedin

Hillary Rodham Clinton was directly involved in arranging a new government position for a top aide that allowed the aide to begin working for a private consulting firm while remaining at the State Department, according to documents released on Thursday.

The documents, released by Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, show that Mrs. Clinton personally signed forms establishing a new title and position for the aide, Huma Abedin, in March 2012. The forms were part of a broader process in which Ms. Abedin, then Mrs. Clinton’s deputy chief of staff, was transitioning to a role as a “special government employee,” which allowed her to collect salaries from the State Department, the Clinton Foundation and the private firm, Teneo, which was co-founded by a former aide to President Clinton.

A few months later, Ms. Abedin began working at Teneo. Politico first reported on the newly released document.

Ms. Abedin’s multiple roles have come under scrutiny from the Senate Judiciary Committee and its chairman, Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa. Mr. Grassley is reviewing potential conflicts of interests between Mrs. Clinton and Teneo clients, who included a wide roster of companies and prominent business executives, some of them also donors to the Clinton Foundation.

A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton declined to comment on the newly released document. Mrs. Clinton’s aides have defended the arrangement as appropriate and within State Department rules, but have declined to describe what role Mrs. Clinton may have played in authorizing or signing off on Ms. Abedin’s outside work.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-d ... hire-poll/

[dales]

Slick Willie Chimes In:

Washington (CNN)—Bill Clinton said Friday he believes Republicans are exaggerating scandals against his wife, using the scrutiny over her email use while at the State Department to tear her down.

"I think that there are lots of people who wanted there to be a race for different reasons. And they thought the only way they could make it a race was a full-scale frontal assault on her. And so this email thing became the biggest story in the world," Clinton said to CNN's Fareed Zakaria in an interview that will air Sunday on "Fareed Zakaria GPS."



"I actually am amazed that she's borne up under it as well as she has. But I have never seen so much expended on so little. ... I trust the people. I think it will be all right. But it's obvious what happened," Clinton added.

The 42nd president said "we're seeing history repeat itself," citing the Whitewater scandal of the 1990s. He also said media coverage of his wife shifted from issues to politics by "people who want a race."

But, he added, "this is a contact sport. They're not giving the job away."

Hillary Clinton's bid for the Democratic nomination has stumbled as she grapples with questions about her use of a personal email account as secretary of state. Republicans charge that Clinton's email practices put American national security interests at risk, and Clinton has been forced to share the documents on her private server.



Those negative headlines seem to have taken their toll on Clinton's presidential ambitions, as wide numbers of Americans say in polls that they do not find her honest and trustworthy. Democratic candidates like Bernie Sanders have seized on those weak numbers and captured an anti-Clinton sentiment peeking through the party's liberal coalition.

Hillary Clinton has so far avoided engaging with Sanders, only saying his name at a public campaign event for the first time earlier this month. But her husband threw some praise on the Vermont senator when contrasting the Democratic field with Republican frontrunner, Donald Trump.

"Hillary and Senator Sanders have laid out pretty detailed, positive policy positions, talking about what they would cost and, you know, you could actually have a debate there," the former president said.

The same couldn't be said of Trump, he said. Bill Clinton explained that he thought Trump was trying to provide an economic argument for working class, socially conservative Republicans to believe in the GOP.

"I'll give you an economic reason to vote for me: I'll build a wall around the Southern border of America and I'll stop buying Chinese imports so your incomes will go up," Clinton said of Trump, referring to the Republican's prominent policy positions.

But he believes the brash billionaire will be forced to flesh out his policy positions in the coming weeks.

"I'm sure the other future debates will do it," he said.

This lying jackass.....I thought we'd heard the last of him.

[rubato]

Although in this case he is right. the email scandal is as bullshit as the Bengazi scandal. Pure crap for morons. And in the end it won't move the dial even a hair.

The stupid people who believe that shit are all voting Republican already. No one cares about them.


yrs,
rubato