trump is serious!!!!!

[wesw]

Quinnipiac polls are trending trump in ohio , PA, Fla, and Ohio.....

....not that I put much stock in polls, but still.....

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

and that little spaceship is still crying.... berniebernieberniebernieberniebernie......

(not so funny, now, is it BB? )

RACE INVADERS

[Scooter]

wes doesn't believe in polls, but when a poll shows Clinton leading (FL, PA), he interprets that poll as "trending Trump.

When wes's daughter gets married and discovers her husband has been cheating on her, she will know better than to come crying to wes. His support for Trump is teaching her that when a man cheats on a woman, it is her fault.

[wesw]

my hair has almost grown out enough to get the Michael McDonald, circa 1976 cut.....

[RayThom]

The latest polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[Lord Jim]

His support for Trump is teaching her that when a man cheats on a woman, it is her fault.

In all fairness, I really don't see that as being the message Trump is hammering on about this...

I'm not seeing him saying that she was somehow to blame for sexual predations. Though he is exaggerating (which he always does, even when he has a kernel of truth) he's attacking her on the accurate basis that when these accusations were made, Hillary was very dismissive of the allegations and questioned the honesty of the people making them, and even made veiled threats.

Even recently, when being questioned on this, she again smeared the accusers:

Two weeks ago, Hillary Clinton tweeted that "every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed and supported." Of course we had to assume that she wasn't referring to the many women who accused her husband Bill of violating them.

At a campaign event in New Hampshire on Thursday, a woman in the audience asked Hillary if believing all "survivors" meant believing Bill's accusers as well, including Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones. Hillary's response: "I would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hilla ... le/2577596

Now just a cotton-pickin' minute Hillary...

What "evidence" is there that any of those women wasn't telling the truth? You know, something like, "Well that couldn't have happened because the record shows that the accuser and Bill weren't in the same place at the time that is being alleged"...

There is no such evidence, and by indicating falsely that there is, (as she clearly did in her answer to that question) she is smearing those women, plain and simple. (This is a good example of why, as I have indicated before that even though I am going to vote for her, I find her detestable.)

In the cases of Willey and Broderick, it's true that its a case of he-said she-said, but it's also true that the available evidence confirms both they and Clinton were present n the places in question at the times the alleged incidents occurred, and in both cases both Willey and Broderick told other people about it immediately after the sexual abuse is supposed to have happened. (Which wasn't true in the case of Anita Hill, btw)

But even he-said she-said is a far cry from the "they should be disbelieved based on the evidence" claim that Hillary made...

And in the case of Jones, what evidence there is indicates that she should be believed not "disbelieved. Jones was able to properly describe "distinguishing marks on the President's penis" (Man, there's a phrase I hope to NEVER see again in the press) which she couldn't possibly have done, if she hadn't uhh, seen "the President's penis"...And like the other two, Jones also told others about it right after it is supposed to have happened.

Now, how much weight this issue of Hillary's bad behavior regarding the women her husband abused should be given by voters when considering whether to vote for her or Trump, is of course another matter entirely. I've made pretty clear that personally in the overall picture, there are other factors I view to be considerably more important for making that determination.

But there's no question that this is a problem area for her, and one which is very difficult for her to deal with effectively, which is of course why Trump is choosing to harp on it.

I think Trump's strategy here is clear. Despite his nonsensical bluster about "the women love me" he knows he's got a huge problem with female voters. He's trying to drive up Hillary's negatives with women in the hopes that this will translate into more support for him.

But Trump also knows that this is an avenue of approach that could backfire, so he's doing it early enough that if the polls show it's not working for him, he'll have plenty of time to adjust and try something else. He's essentially "test driving" this line of attack...

And for Trump to be touting something that at least has some basis in truth, no matter how importantly one may or may not view it as an issue, is an improvement over his regular pattern of making claims that he has pulled completely out of his ass...(Like the thousands of cheering Muslims in New Jersey on 9/11, to mention just one of many.)

[wesw]

just for a moment, let us put Curly Hogland s (sp) upcoming convention antics out of our minds....

let us not think about his effort to have west Virginia s delegates, and all delegates from open primary states, disqualified....

let us just take 3 minutes to enjoy the freedom that we are so lucky to have....

the freedom that we all love and the liberty that countless patriots have died to achieve and preserve...

enjoy...

[Bicycle Bill]

You know what the last song John Denver ever performed was?
As his plane crashed into the Pacific near Monterey Bay, he was singing "Thank God I'm An Ocean Buoy".

-"BB"-

[wesw]

that s fucked up man...

too bad he wasn t 'bob' Denver....

[Big RR]

His support for Trump is teaching her that when a man cheats on a woman, it is her fault.

In all fairness, I really don't see that as being the message Trump is hammering on about this...

I'm not seeing him saying that she was somehow to blame for sexual predations. Though he is exaggerating (which he always does, even when he has a kernel of truth) he's attacking her on the accurate basis that when these accusations were made, Hillary was very dismissive of the allegations and questioned the honesty of the people making them, and even made veiled threats.

Even recently, when being questioned on this, she again smeared the accusers:

Two weeks ago, Hillary Clinton tweeted that "every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed and supported." Of course we had to assume that she wasn't referring to the many women who accused her husband Bill of violating them.

At a campaign event in New Hampshire on Thursday, a woman in the audience asked Hillary if believing all "survivors" meant believing Bill's accusers as well, including Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones. Hillary's response: "I would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hilla ... le/2577596

Now just a cotton-pickin' minute Hillary...

What "evidence" is there that any of those women wasn't telling the truth? You know, something like, "Well that couldn't have happened because the record shows that the accuser and Bill weren't in the same place at the time that is being alleged"...

There is no such evidence, and by indicating falsely that there is, (as she clearly did in her answer to that question) she is smearing those women, plain and simple. (This is a good example of why, as I have indicated before that even though I am going to vote for her, I find her detestable.)

In the cases of Willey and Broderick, it's true that its a case of he-said she-said, but it's also true that the available evidence confirms both they and Clinton were present n the places in question at the times the alleged incidents occurred, and in both cases both Willey and Broderick told other people about it immediately after the sexual abuse is supposed to have happened. (Which wasn't true in the case of Anita Hill, btw)

But even he-said she-said is a far cry from the "they should be disbelieved based on the evidence" claim that Hillary made...

And in the case of Jones, what evidence there is indicates that she should be believed not "disbelieved. Jones was able to properly describe "distinguishing marks on the President's penis" (Man, there's a phrase I hope to NEVER see again in the press) which she couldn't possibly have done, if she hadn't uhh, seen "the President's penis"...And like the other two, Jones also told others about it right after it is supposed to have happened.

Now, how much weight this issue of Hillary's bad behavior regarding the women her husband abused should be given by voters when considering whether to vote for her or Trump, is of course another matter entirely. I've made pretty clear that personally in the overall picture, there are other factors I view to be considerably more important for making that determination.

But there's no question that this is a problem area for her, and one which is very difficult for her to deal with effectively, which is of course why Trump is choosing to harp on it.

I think Trump's strategy here is clear. Despite his nonsensical bluster about "the women love me" he knows he's got a huge problem with female voters. He's trying to drive up Hillary's negatives with women in the hopes that this will translate into more support for him.

But Trump also knows that this is an avenue of approach that could backfire, so he's doing it early enough that if the polls show it's not working for him, he'll have plenty of time to adjust and try something else. He's essentially "test driving" this line of attack...

And for Trump to be touting something that at least has some basis in truth, no matter how importantly one may or may not view it as an issue, is an improvement over his regular pattern of making claims that he has pulled completely out of his ass...(Like the thousands of cheering Muslims in New Jersey on 9/11, to mention just one of many.)

Jim--I understand your point, and I doubt there were many persons, republican or democrat, who seriously doubted Bill did what he was accused of (indeed, the democratic smear machine caused me to have a permanent dislike (maybe even hatred) of Jim Carville), but this was Hillary's husband and she is no more a superwoman than any woman, or man for that matter) who stood by a family member despite damning evidence--some were spouses, some parents for children and some children for parents, but all had some sort of blindness for the family member. I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt there, and I imagine many others will. she may be the scheming Machiavellian character some make her out to be, but she could also just be a human being standing up for a man who didn't deserve anyone to stand up for him.

[Lord Jim]

she may be the scheming Machiavellian character some make her out to be

You can certainly count me among those "some"...

And when you look at her disapproval ratings and her ratings on "honest and trustworthy", it's pretty clear that "some" is a majority...

[Big RR]

You may be right Jim, but I do think even some of them would give her a break on t he issue Trump is raising.

[Scooter]

Point me to any wife of a high profile husband who did not "stand by her man" and lash out against his accusers in similar circumstances, and I'll show you a bridge in Brooklyn I have for sale.

If she had kicked Bill to the curb at the time for fucking around on her, she would be being attacked for that reason by the very same people who are calling her his "enabler".

[wesw]

my , my..., I don t think that worldwide discussion of bill s penis is going to help hilarity at all..., not at all....

did you know that it had a freckle"

...of course you did

[Scooter]

double post

[Scooter]

I don't think Donald "there's no one who respects women more than me" Trump is going to want National Enquirer articles about his dalliances while married to all of his wives and the way he trashed them publicly to be rebroadcast from now until election day if he expects to improve on his 50+ percentage points deficit with women. So this line of attack is not going to last long.

[wesw]

what you think doesn t matter...., Canadian.

[Scooter]

That's right, I get to sit back and laugh no matter what the outcome.

Either Donald Trump makes a complete fool of himself, or the American people do.

Either way, the rest of the world gets entertained by the spectacle.

[wesw]

that s right..., insult the American people....., idiot!!!!!

you fight my battle for me.

[Scooter]

[BoSoxGal]

Is he back for keeps?