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On top of that, he has been very vocal about his opposition to torture, and his view of waterboarding as torture, even when he refused to support/vote for the legislation to hold the CIA to the same standards as the military in treatment of prisoners. I didn't agree with him there (although I don't want this thread to turn into a rehash of that bill), but he kept his position public. Personally, I think this is one of the few positions he has not changed, unlike some other politicians.

And Jim, while I agree with you re the fact that you'll never find a politician you agree with every issue on, I honestly cannot see any positions of Trump that are worthy of support, so I cannot understand his support of Trump at all.

BSG--I agree he has sold out, but I do not think he's changed his position on torture (which is what I think we are discussing the endorsement in light of); maybe he wants to build a wall? :shrug

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Yeah I agree he hasn't changed his position on torture; but I do think that the hypocrisy of endorsing someone who crows about the necessity/value of torture is what rubato was on about in his post.
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Quite possibly, but then I do think rubato could have said that if it is what he meant.

And as I said above, whatever his stated positions, I could never vote for anyone who endorsed Trump.

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rubato wrote:

Drool mumble mumble mumble.


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Aw bless, he's reverted to his natural state.
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McCain Opens Up Sizeable Leads In New Primary And General Election Polls

ByDanielle Keeton-Olsen Published August 24, 2016, 5:53 PM EDT

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has built solid leads in both Arizona's upcoming GOP Senate primary and the general election, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

McCain leads Kelli Ward, 55-29, ahead of Arizona's primary election on Tuesday.

In a hypothetical matchup against his likely Democratic challenger Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (D-AZ), McCain comes out 13 points ahead, 52-39.


Polls from earlier this summer showed a less clear lead for McCain, with Kirkpatrick just two points behind the former GOP presidential nominee in a June poll from Democratic pollster PPP.

The poll, conducted Aug. 18-23, surveyed 842 registered Arizona voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent.

TPM's PollTracker Average for the general election shows McCain leading Kirkpatrick, 52 to 39.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracke ... nate-polls

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Lord Jim wrote:McCain Opens Up Sizeable Leads In New Primary And General Election Polls
He should be thanking Drumpf for arousing the "sympathy" vote.

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Here's somebody who agrees that John McCain shouldn't be buying any green bananas:
McCain's GOP Senate challenger says he's too old for the job

Washington (CNN)Sen. John McCain's primary opponent is standing by her criticism one day after she declared that the soon-to-be 80-year-old Arizona Republican is too old to be re-elected.
"John McCain has stayed in Washington, D.C. for way too long -- almost four decades," she told CNN's Brooke Baldwin Friday, saying that McCain and his own family members had reservations about his age. "The Arizona voters will decide if they want an 80-year-old senator or not."

McCain is the eighth-oldest senator currently serving. The oldest is California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, 83, who has two more years left on her term.

The Arizona GOP primary election is set for Tuesday and McCain is the favorite to win yet again.

A CNN/ORC poll of Arizona released Wednesday showed McCain leading Ward 55% to 29% among likely Republican primary voters. The poll also found McCain ahead of his likely general election opponent, Ann Kirkpatrick, by 52% to 39% among registered voters.

Ward dismissed that survey to Baldwin as a "bogus poll."[Yeah, CNN is known for conducting bogus polls]

On Thursday, Ward told MSNBC's Chuck Todd: "John McCain has fallen down on the job. He's gotten weak. He's gotten old," Kelli Ward told MSNBC's Chuck Todd.

In a nod to the senator's upcoming birthday on Monday, she added, "I want to give him the best birthday present ever: the gift of retirement."

Todd asked the former state senator to clarify her comments, specifically if she believed McCain was too old for the Senate.

"I'm a physician. I see the physiological changes that happen in normal patients again and again and again over the last 20, 25 years, so I do know what happens to the body and the mind at the end of life," Ward said.

Weighing her medical experience, Todd followed up again: "You feel comfortable diagnosing him on air like this?"

She did not back down: "Diagnosing him as an 80-year-old man, yes, I do."
[What kind of a reputable physician diagnosis someone over a television screen? No kind of reputable physician, that's what kind...]

McCain's campaign fought back fiercely against Ward's criticism.

"At the end of campaigns, desperate candidates too often embarrassing themselves by launching dishonorable, personal attacks," McCain spokeswoman Lorna Romero said Friday. "It's unfortunate that Kelli Ward has chosen to end her campaign with desperate fictions."

On Thursday, Romero swiped: "The 'chemtrails' must be getting to Kelli Ward." She was referring to Ward having once held a town hall event to hear from her constituents about "chemtrails," a popular but unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that moisture trails left behind by planes are actually chemicals deposited for unknown purposes. [My party sure seems to have more than its fair share of political crackpot physicians; Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Ben Carson, and now this ding-a-ling... :roll: ]

Ward told Todd she would "probably" support McCain if she failed to upend the race.

When McCain ran for president in 2008, his age was often contrasted with then-Sen. Barack Obama's relative youth. His presidential campaign released several years' worth of medical records and allowed reporters access to medical documents and had a teleconference with his physician.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/25/politics/ ... hn-mccain/

The main reason John McCain has gone from being in a close race in June to a comfortable lead both for the primary and general election now, is because he has spent the past two months doing what he does best...

Engaging in retail politics, campaigning day-in-and-day out at town hall after town hall and at numerous other local events, and giving interview after interview to local media operations...

It's the kind of vigorous, mentally and physically demanding campaigning that has brought him victory in all of his previous senate races, and the same kind of campaigning that enabled him to win the New Hampshire primary in his two Presidential races...

So all of this hoo-hah about how weak and feeble poor old John McCain is, is completely disproven by the indisputable fact that he remains capable of conducting this kind of vigorous and demanding campaign...
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He may have all kinds of stamina, but his ethics are seriously weak these days. I'm still rooting for his D opponent to beat him, but I'm not suggesting his loony right wing opponent should win.
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Here's the way I feel about the McCain Trump endorsement:

Sure, I would prefer he hadn't endorsed Trump, and I'd be very happy if he withdrew that endorsement...

However:

If I can support a candidate for President who I greatly dislike, and who I disagree with on nearly every domestic issue, and who I consider to be extremely dishonest, cynical, and unethical, then surely I can cut a little slack to John McCain, (a guy I like, respect, and agree with on most issues) for making a perfunctory endorsement I strongly disagree with...

McCain is no Trump butt boy like Giuliani or Christie. (If he were, then I probably couldn't support him) He's been at least as publicly critical of Trump on a range of issues as many Republicans who haven't endorsed him (like Jeb and Kasich...neither of whom face re-elections in state where Trump leads, like McCain does) and he's had nothing good to say about The Donald.

I fully understand that the one and only reason that McCain has endorsed Trump is to reduce alienating Trump voters. (Though he has had the integrity to risk this by regularly criticizing Drumpf) You can say that's a cynical decision on his part, but again, I'm supporting a candidate for President for whom cynical decisions have been a life long stock-in-trade...

This really looks like small potatoes by comparison...

I strongly believe the Senate and the country is a better place with John McCain in the Senate, his unenthusiastic perfunctory endorsement of Trump not withstanding.
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surely I can cut a little slack to John McCain, (a guy I like, respect and agree with on most issues) for making a perfunctory endorsement I strongly disagree with...


well Jim, that's where you and I differ; if the endorsement gives even one vote to Trump, that's one vote too many. This is not an endorsement of W, or Jeb, but an endorsement of a guy who clearly would be a dinger as president. And that he either doesn't see or doesn't care about this danger so long as it works to his reelection advantage is reason enough for me not to cut him any slack.

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I'm BoSoxGal and I endorse this message! ^^^^^
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Yeah, but Big RR and BSG, it's not like either of you would vote for John McCain anyway... ;)
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Depends--against Trump, I definitely would (just like you plan to vote for Hillary). And I am certain there are others I would vote for McCain (fixed that) over before he endorsed Trump (Cruz is a good example). But the point is that I would never vote for someone who endorsed Trump, regardless of their other positions, for the reasons I previously stated.
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There was a time I absolutely would have, and I've always admired him as a decent Republican - until he allowed himself to be co-opted by the Palin choice, played nice with Tea Party nutjobs, and now this Trump endorsement.

I once or twice voted for Olympia Snowe, you know. I was raised by a GOP loyalist, after all! :lol:
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john mc cain is a war hero.

his political career has been less honorable. he is in the pockets of the special interests, and has been for a looong time...


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The system is rigged.

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People voting more than once? No id? That is all retail. The real way to steal an election is wholesale--who does the counting.

How many people even know who their county clerk or election board actually are?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... ge%2Fstory

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like stalin said...,

it doesn t matter who the people vote for, it only matters who counts the votes....

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