Mc Cain s Navy

[wesw]

mccains ancestors are fine.

his political career was and is a disgrace

the keating five

fat leonard

the VA horror show

McCain should hang his head in shame

entitled brat

[Guinevere]

Wesw is a bold-faced liar:

Several websites have dredged up erroneous details of a deadly naval accident to smear U.S. Sen. John McCain’s service record after his vote against a GOP health care bill.

Calling McCain "a traitor and disgrace to the American People," an Aug. 6, 2017, post on WorldNewsCircle.com attacks the Arizona Republican for his role in a 1967 fire on the USS Forrestal during the Vietnam War.

Facebook users flagged the post as being potentially fabricated, as part of the social media site’s efforts to combat fake news. They also highlighted similar posts on some other sites.

Appearing after McCain derailed GOP efforts on July 28 to pass a bill in the Senate repealing the Affordable Care Act, the article blames the then-U.S. Navy pilot for the blaze.

"McCain train wreck career met an all time low when he was singlehandedly responsible for starting a fire on USS Forrestal Aircraft Carrier," the post read. "The accident claimed the lives of 134 sailors and left permanently disabled another 161 who were dismissed from active duty."

The essay said McCain "decided to practice a reckless maneuver that day called a wet start," in which a pilot sends extra fuel to a jet’s thrusters to create a showy flame on takeoff. The post said that wet start ignited an adjacent plane’s missiles, which fired and hit "multiple planes filled with explosives all through the carrier’s deck."

(Still more internet posts have been saying McCain dropped his plane’s own bombs on the deck, causing the explosions, or that McCain abandoned the deck prematurely.)

This charge has been leveled against McCain before, as the event did come up during his 2008 presidential campaign. But official reports and other accounts don’t support the assertion that he was responsible.

Fire aboard the Forrestal
McCain was aboard the Forrestal as a lieutenant commander piloting an A-4 Skyhawk for the U.S. Navy on July 29, 1967, the day of the fire. The Forrestal had recently been resupplied with munitions, including 1,000-pound bombs from the Korean War, stored on the deck, because modern bombs were in short supply. McCain’s jet was parked on the deck, tail pointed outward before takeoff, as the ship sailed in the Gulf of Tonkin.

McCain didn’t "wet start" his jet, but rather an F-4 Phantom about 100 feet away at the opposite end of the deck accidentally fired a rocket because of an electrical surge.

The details vary depending on the account, but the rocket hit either McCain’s plane or the plane of fellow Skyhawk pilot Lt. Cdr. Fred White.

Our friends at FactCheck.org found that McCain’s own statements immediately after the disaster showed him admitting his memory of the event was muddled.

McCain remembered the rocket hitting his own plane in Chapter 14 of his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers: "In the next instant, a Zuni missile struck the belly fuel tank of my plane, tearing it open, igniting two hundred gallons of fuel that spilled onto the deck, and knocking two of my bombs to the deck."

But the official U.S. Navy report of the accident said the rocket hit White’s plane, rupturing the fuel tank and igniting the jet fuel.

A fragment also punctured the fuel tank of another Skyhawk next to White, spilling more fuel and igniting it. The rocket itself fell into the ocean without detonating, but a bomb from one of the aircraft exploded as crew members rushed to put out the flames. (Subsequent reports have noted modern bombs would not have "cooked off" the way the Korean War-era munitions did, contributing to the disaster.)

Gregory Freeman, author of the 2002 book Sailors to the End, has sided with McCain’s account, but conceded on his website that it was entirely possible the rocket hit both Skyhawks.

More here: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... aboard-us/

In typically trumpanzee fashion, the facts aren’t even close to the assertions made, but a vicious smear of a political enemy.

[wesw]

what a bunch of lawyerly crap and double speak that was....

sheesh.....

so at the end it says that the official record differs from mccains account?

it seems that the whole piece was written to confuse the issue.

a stray electrical signal...., yeah, they picked it up at the pound for stray button pushers.....

[Lord Jim]

Has Trump had more bankruptcies, or more draft deferments?

It's tough to keep track...

[Big RR]

I'm sorry wes, you have served onboard how many aircraft carriers? I'll accept the official report until there is a credible reason not to accept it--and a pissed off Trump (who probably knows far less about aircraft carriers than any of us here) is not a reason to doubt it.

But then, why don't you just dismiss this as more lawyerly crap and buy into the slander of the asshole in chief/now chief of the Russian fifth column.

Face it Jim, there's a few things most guys with rich daddies don't do, including pay their debts or serve in the military.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Fact: a missile came from a plane 100 feet away from McCain's

Fact: it hit McCain's plane/one next to him/both planes; no one knows for sure

Fact: a huge series of explosions followed causing widespread death and injury.

Fake fact suggested: "yeah, didn t he blow his "buddy" off the deck off an aircraft carrier?"

Methinks buddy-blowing is your specialty, not McCain's

[Lord Jim]

Face it Jim, there's a few things most guys with rich daddies don't do, including pay their debts or serve in the military.

One might say that could qualify him as a, well, "entitled brat"...

[wesw]

only my best buddy tho meade....

[wesw]

well I don t really know what happened on the carrier meade, and no I ve never served on one , RR.

my father did, he was in the china sea during the Cuban missile crisis.

I do know about the keating five, no one has defended him on that I notice.

no one defends his VA oversight....

no one defends the state of the navy, under his oversight, during the whole fat leonard thing, and it was HORRIBLE

...anyway, my view of McCain has been set for decades, it won t change unless the lord comes down and tells me I m wrong.

I ll leave him alone now, he has enough to worry about.

plus I m out of weed and a little cranky, so I don t want to say anything else, I might be too negative.....

[Big RR]

Come on wes, you're using your assessment of his political career to tarnish his reputation as a war hero; pick one or the other. Many of us here do not sing his praises for what he did in the senate, but his military record speaks for itself, and Trump's trying to trash it is a major disgrace.

[wesw]

no I m trying to tarnish his record as a statesman.

[MajGenl.Meade]

well I don t really know

FTFY (but you didn't need to tell us)

[wesw]

never miss a chance, do you meade......

god forbid that you learn something in your old age.....

perhaps, just perhaps your experiences and wisdoms don t encompass the totality of human knowledge and experience....

fine I m an idiot.

go do some good somewhere....

[Crackpot]

no I m trying to tarnish his record as a statesman.

Err.. You do realize your subject line directly contradicts that statement.

[wesw]

no it doesn t .

McCain, in the senate has been at the tiller

[MajGenl.Meade]

god forbid that you learn something in your old age.....

Mostly I learn stuff like, "where did I put my keys this time?" and "Why is my right front wheel off the ground and where did that culvert brickwork that's under my engine come from?". Stuff like that.

Evidently I'm not going to learn anything from you about an accident for which you cast the blame on McCain without (according to you) knowing anything at all about it. So thanks for helping me to learn that you were simply er... wrong. I'll forget it by tomorrow though while you will still be wrong.

[wesw]

well , I feel your pain....

[wesw]

l00se lips sink ships

[Scooter]

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