any0ne v0ting trump in 2020?

[Bicycle Bill]

You all forgot oldr, an unapologetic Trump voter.

Yeah, but now that he's working the program and gotten sober....

-"BB"-

[BoSoxGal]

He was already sober in 2016.

I don’t think we should drag oldr into this conversation; we don’t actually know if he still supports Trump, but we do know it was politics that drove him away from here and it appears he’s interested in visiting but not re-entering that fray. I can respect that.

If he does still support Trump I can’t say I respect that or understand it, but if he’s not shoving Trumpism and lies in my face like wesw, I can give him a pass on reminding him every time he pops up that his politics at present are, IMNSHO, very misguided.

[Lord Jim]

While we have a few Trump supporters hereabouts, what we don't seem to have are any Trump defenders... (Welcome back Guin, BTW )

I see plenty of attacks on the folks Trump doesn't like, and a willingness to embrace the diversions and deflections du jour emanating from Trumpistan, but it's been a long time since I've seen anyone actually step up and champion Trump's words and deeds...

So come on fellas, who'd like to be the first to step up and say, "Trump's call with Zelinsky was perfect, just like he says. There was nothing wrong with him withholding approved military aid from an ally opposing Russian aggression until that ally agreed to announce that they were investigating his political opponent. Perfectly ok to do that, he should do it again."

Anybody?

[Guinevere]

No one gets a pass for actively supporting the destruction of our Constitution and the parade of resulting horribles, as a result of voting for Trump. The blood is on their hands.

[BoSoxGal]

I understand that sentiment, Guin, and I share it wholeheartedly. I thought I made a clear distinction between giving a pass for Trump support v giving a pass by not actively confronting someone about their politics every time they post.

I believe all current Trump supporters should be ashamed of their failure to put country/Constitution ahead of partisan politics. I don’t know if oldr is a current Trump supporter, he doesn’t seem interested in engaging in that conversation and I’m not going to be the one to push the issue.

If that makes me less the patriot, so be it.

[Joe Guy]

I tried to come up with something admirable about Trump and remembered how I thought when he was running for president he seemed very caring and protective of his family. Soon after he was elected it occurred to me that he isn't protecting them, he's protecting himself. Any one of them could easily destroy him if they were to speak out against him.

[wesw]

yeah?

what bl00d?

please explain.

I like the bl00d that trump hasn t spilled , myself.

I like that he resisted the "B0mb B0mb B0mb, B0mb B0mb, Iran" cr0wd.

haven t we been in en0ugh wars?

geez, n0 w0nder pe0ple hate us.

Dems and repubs..., clint0n and Serbia, bushes and everything, 0bama the dr0ne king.

Libya. ruined.

clint0n, McCain graham, cheney warm0ngers all

must be g00d m0ney in war......


geez, let s g0 t0 war with Russia!!!

brilliant.

s0 I d0n t kn0w what bl00d y0u speak 0f.

please enlighten me.

[Guinevere]

Dead children in camps. Although we know you, like your hero, don’t consider them human. Dead Kurds. Same analysis. Dead journalists. But you probably approve of bonesaw dismemberment of journalists and truth-seekers. Dead children in our schools.

Enough, or should I go on and on and on.

[Guinevere]

Thus far, no. If Biden is not available for me, then I'll vote for Nunofthea Bove.

Thus far?

If you’re only voting old white men you are beyond hope. What a shame. I thought you had actually learned something.

[Lord Jim]

If my recollection is correct, I believe Meade did vote for Hillary Clinton...

[wesw]

bey0nd h0pe....

....irredeemable..., depl0rable....

y0u c0uld g0 0n and 0n and 0n, I m sure.

n0 grace left?

0range man bad

white man bad

Hillary g00d.

tired 0ld pr0paganda.

1st amendment bad, hurt wittle feelings, sec0nd amendment bad

repubs destr0y c0nstituti0n.

shrill.

hysterical.

ineffective , tired arguments with a hard bitter edge.

brilliant.

[wesw]

glad y0u are back, guin.


I can 0nly assume that Hillary is jumping in the race

run rabbit run.....

[Bicycle Bill]

He was already sober in 2016.

I don’t think we should drag oldr into this conversation; we don’t actually know if he still supports Trump, but we do know it was politics that drove him away from here and it appears he’s interested in visiting but not re-entering that fray. I can respect that.

I agree; I too knew he'd gotten straight prior to 2016 (I've followed his eponymous thread) but it was too good a quip to let go by.
As for the rest of what you said, I too will follow that policy.

-"BB"-

[Lord Jim]

white man bad

Yeah, I'm a self-loathing white man...

If there's one thing I'm well known for around here, it's my lack of self-esteem...

[Guinevere]

If my recollection is correct, I believe Meade did vote for Hillary Clinton...

Yes he did. Thus my point concerning voting only for an old white man this time around. I thought he actually learned something in 2016, but apparently not. I mean really “not thus far” seem to imply there are conditions under which he would consider voting for Trump. And that is not good enough.

[Guinevere]

I explained, and wesw went right on to his immature, sexist insults. See e.g. “shrill” and “hysterical”

Some things never change.

[Guinevere]

I understand that sentiment, Guin, and I share it wholeheartedly. I thought I made a clear distinction between giving a pass for Trump support v giving a pass by not actively confronting someone about their politics every time they post.

I believe all current Trump supporters should be ashamed of their failure to put country/Constitution ahead of partisan politics. I don’t know if oldr is a current Trump supporter, he doesn’t seem interested in engaging in that conversation and I’m not going to be the one to push the issue.

If that makes me less the patriot, so be it.

I haven’t posted here in 5 months, nor have I addressed a single comment to oldr. So how exactly is that “actively confronting” him? That he voted for Trump last time is a fact. If he can’t handle what comes along with that, then he should have made a different choice.

[Lord Jim]

I explained, and wesw went right on to his immature, sexist insults. See e.g. “shrill” and “hysterical”

Some things never change.

He's also been calling me "shrill" and "hysterical"...

[Guinevere]

I explained, and wesw went right on to his immature, sexist insults. See e.g. “shrill” and “hysterical”

Some things never change.

He's also been calling me "shrill" and "hysterical"...

Ahh, well, he’s also parroting his master, who uses that same language.

Irony really is dead, isn’t it?

[BoSoxGal]

I understand that sentiment, Guin, and I share it wholeheartedly. I thought I made a clear distinction between giving a pass for Trump support v giving a pass by not actively confronting someone about their politics every time they post.

I believe all current Trump supporters should be ashamed of their failure to put country/Constitution ahead of partisan politics. I don’t know if oldr is a current Trump supporter, he doesn’t seem interested in engaging in that conversation and I’m not going to be the one to push the issue.

If that makes me less the patriot, so be it.

I haven’t posted here in 5 months, nor have I addressed a single comment to oldr. So how exactly is that “actively confronting” him? That he voted for Trump last time is a fact. If he can’t handle what comes along with that, then he should have made a different choice.

I wasn’t talking about you, or accusing you of anything - I was talking about MY choice to not confront oldr - MY choice to give him a pass on being confronted about politics where he clearly wants to stay out of that conversation.