Will Trump move to recognize Taiwan as a nation?

[Lord Jim]

I forgot about the game. I'll get back to that.

You mean you actually intend to respond meaningfully to the points Scooter and I raised?

[MajGenl.Meade]

“There absolutely needs to be a very, very deep dive after the event and review of the lessons, including of the outbreak of the virus,” Raab said

I hope he doesn't muff it

[Darren]

“There absolutely needs to be a very, very deep dive after the event and review of the lessons, including of the outbreak of the virus,” Raab said

I hope he doesn't muff it

He does seem to have loads of women supporters.

[Lord Jim]

I forgot about the game. I'll get back to that.

You mean you actually intend to respond meaningfully to the points Scooter and I raised?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Good luck, LJ. I'm still waiting to be told where all these suicide statistics are that we're instructed to watch.

[Darren]

Good luck, LJ. I'm still waiting to be told where all these suicide statistics are that we're instructed to watch.

It's obvious some read. Some do not.

Criticizing the Dept. of Defense needs to be concise but descriptive. That's not easily done in less than several thousand words. Part of the issue is bringing people up to speed so they understand what an LCS is, etc. That gets boring real quick.

While that finds a ready audience and lively discussion on the Navy related FB pages it's a sleep inducer here.

The Defense Dept is full of incompetence that should be weeded out along with at least a 10% cut to the $700 billion budget.

I was extremely unhappy about the twofer aircraft carrier contract that was signed when Trump went into office.

The current imbroglio centered on the ex-captain of the Roosevelt shows the deterioration in today's Navy. My personal preference would have been for the man to be shot repeatedly until his corpse was a leaking sack of jelly like the Texas tower shooter of long ago.

If that's not acceptable. I'd settle for hanging him on the field during Super Bowl halftime.

[Scooter]

Can't have the captain of a vessel who actually cares about the welbeing and operational effectiveness of his crew. Next thing you know, they might be seen as actual human beings.

[Big RR]

Idiiotic methods of execution, You are quite a man, you must be really tough to think of something like that.

[Darren]

Can't have the captain of a vessel who actually cares about the welbeing and operational effectiveness of his crew. Next thing you know, they might be seen as actual human beings.

I've read the sequence of events that ended with his worldwide tell all. He violated OPSEC. While the acting Navy secretary blew it too with his public criticism that doesn't absolve the captain of his oath and responsibility.

He disclosed to the world a strategic asset might be compromised. The fact his crew loved him might be another issue. I served under commanders that were hated and some that were respected. Love was never a factor.

The new Navy is a joke.

I am heartened by the fact the Roosevelt may put to sea in a few weeks.

[ex-khobar Andy]

I forgot about the game. I'll get back to that. But first ...

"The shutdown of Samsung's last China phone factory comes after it cut production at the plant in the southern city of Huizhou in June and suspended another factory late last year, underscoring stiff competition in the country.

The South Korean tech giant's ceased phone production in China follows other manufacturers shifting production from China due to rising labor costs and the economic slowdown.

Sony also said it was closing its Beijing smartphone plant and would only make smartphones in Thailand."

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/ ... gKYrpKqMYU

But I thought that these tariffs were supposed to bring jobs back to the US! You mean they've shifted them to Thailand? Thailand should pay for those tariffs! I want a wall on the US/Thailand border to keep those phones out!

[Darren]

Idiiotic methods of execution, You are quite a man, you must be really tough to think of something like that.

It's not toughness. It's disgust.

If you want to understand how the Navy used to be, read the book,The Last Stand Of The Tin Can Sailors. I served on a can. It wasn't fun. It wasn't an unendurable ordeal either for most of us. It was what it was.

You turned to and did your job. Otherwise you got your ass handed to you starting with your chief and ending there if you were lucky.

[BoSoxGal]

Can't have the captain of a vessel who actually cares about the welbeing and operational effectiveness of his crew. Next thing you know, they might be seen as actual human beings.

I've read the sequence of events that ended with his worldwide tell all. He violated OPSEC. While the acting Navy secretary blew it too with his public criticism that doesn't absolve the captain of his oath and responsibility.

He disclosed to the world a strategic asset might be compromised. The fact his crew loved him might be another issue. I served under commanders that were hated and some that were respected. Love was never a factor.

The new Navy is a joke.

I am heartened by the fact the Roosevelt may put to sea in a few weeks.

You are such a fucking liar Darren - there is no definitive evidence that Crozier violated OPSEC, he sent his concerns only to a small group of other navy captains and navy command and it has not yet been established how the letter was leaked to the press. That’s why the secretary of defense is still considering with open mind reinstating Crozier to his command.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-nav ... statement/

I’ve tried not dismissing you outright, but making shit up out of your ass is no evidence that you were ever a good sailor, and I come from a long line of them so I know what one looks like.

[Scooter]

Does your review of the sequence of events include the fact that 585 crew members ended up infected with COVID-19? Crozier was proven to have been correct, and the only reason you criticize him now is that the incident made Trump's lackeys look bad.

And if you served in the military, then I'm Ava Gardner.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Have you been watching the suicide numbers? The numbers may exceed the number of pandemic victims if unemployment skyrockets.

No see, so far you've diverted into 'flu statistics and now something to do with the navy. Where are the suicide numbers I'm supposed to be watching?

[Darren]

Can't have the captain of a vessel who actually cares about the welbeing and operational effectiveness of his crew. Next thing you know, they might be seen as actual human beings.

I've read the sequence of events that ended with his worldwide tell all. He violated OPSEC. While the acting Navy secretary blew it too with his public criticism that doesn't absolve the captain of his oath and responsibility.

He disclosed to the world a strategic asset might be compromised. The fact his crew loved him might be another issue. I served under commanders that were hated and some that were respected. Love was never a factor.

The new Navy is a joke.

I am heartened by the fact the Roosevelt may put to sea in a few weeks.

You are such a fucking liar Darren - there is no definitive evidence that Crozier violated OPSEC, he sent his concerns only to a small group of other navy captains and navy command and it has not yet been established how the letter was leaked to the press. That’s why the secretary of defense is still considering with open mind reinstating Crozier to his command.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-nav ... statement/

I’ve tried not dismissing you outright, but making shit up out of your ass is no evidence that you were ever a good sailor, and I come from a long line of them so I know what one looks like.

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Captain Toti's more detailed bulleted points will take more time to locate.

Those detailed the urgent message classifications that he could have used. Toti also mentioned Crozier did not inform his commanding officer, the admiral down the passageway in command of the task group, of his intent to email the world.

Keep in mind before Capt. Toti unloaded on Capt. Crozier he defended the captain of the USS Indianapolis for many years and got him exonerated albeit post mortem.

This is a PC version that was printed in the Wall Street Journal.

"Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly relieved Capt. Brett Crozier of command last week after the press published a letter about a Covid-19 outbreak on the nuclear aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. I agonize for Capt. Crozier, who has tested positive for Covid himself. I too once commanded a warship, and I once took a controversial position at risk to my own career.

Yet I regret his decision. The video of the crew paying respects to Capt. Crozier as he leaves the Roosevelt demonstrates his popularity. But it leaves me with grave concern over the feelings-first zeitgeist on display, and it causes me concern that the crew’s actions will make the ship’s situation much worse.

This event gives a worrisome peek into the fraying of America’s military command structure. That structure relies on aggregated wisdom and dispersed power. It replaces emotion with cold logic. It reins in impulse with carefully considered protocols and procedures. None of those virtues are evident in how the Roosevelt incident played out.

No doubt Capt. Crozier was concerned about the Covid crisis and wanted to escalate the issue to protect his crew. That desire is to be commended. But the crew’s welfare is only part of a Navy captain’s responsibilities, which are global in scope. Capt. Crozier’s letter effectively recommended that the Navy take an operational, forward-deployed nuclear-powered aircraft carrier offline, an event that would be classified and carry significant strategic implications world-wide, hence would have to be escalated to the president. From that standpoint, the Roosevelt was not Capt. Crozier’s ship, it was America’s. But to shotgun that kind of recommendation in a letter via an unclassified email is a violation of the highest order.

Capt. Crozier’s defenders have said he was speaking truth to power. But he could But he could have done so directly. He could have generated serious action with a properly classified, immediate-precedence “Personal for” naval message to any of at least five operational commanders in his chain of command. He could have reached out directly to the Navy secretary. Instead, according to Mr. Modly, Capt. Crozier shotgunned, thereby losing control of, an email containing classified details reflecting the state of readiness of one of America’s most important ships. The upshot is that the Chinese received Capt. Crozier’s letter at the same time as the Pentagon.

...

Command is a privilege. I pray for the recovery of Capt. Crozier and everyone else who’s been infected. But this event’s legacy also includes thousands, military and civilian, beguiled into rooting for an ineffective form of leadership, a loss of faith in a chain of command that was never properly invoked, and a horrified home front—not to mention media pundits making matters worse by sounding off on issues they don’t understand.

[BoSoxGal]

Does your review of the sequence of events include the fact that 585 crew members ended up infected with COVID-19? Crozier was proven to have been correct, and the only reason you criticize him now is that the incident made Trump's lackeys look bad.

And if you served in the military, then I'm Ava Gardner.

655 now positive from the TR.

[BoSoxGal]

Those detailed the urgent message classifications that he could have used. Toti also mentioned Crozier did not inform his commanding officer, the admiral down the passageway in command of the task group, of his intent to email the world.

He emailed 10 fellow Navy command officers all with security clearance equal to his own. He didn’t email the world.

You are a lying scumbag who now goes on permanent ignore. Fuck you very much you sanctimonious cowardly lying piece of shit.

[Darren]

Those detailed the urgent message classifications that he could have used. Toti also mentioned Crozier did not inform his commanding officer, the admiral down the passageway in command of the task group, of his intent to email the world.

You are a lying scumbag who now goes on permanent ignore. Fuck you very much you sanctimonious cowardly lying piece of shit.

Anyone else want to dispute Captain Toti's thoughts in the WSJ article which I agree with?

[Lord Jim]

And if you served in the military, then I'm Ava Gardner.

Gee, and I always pictured you as more of a Marilyn Maxwell...

[Darren]

Does your review of the sequence of events include the fact that 585 crew members ended up infected with COVID-19? Crozier was proven to have been correct, and the only reason you criticize him now is that the incident made Trump's lackeys look bad.

And if you served in the military, then I'm Ava Gardner.

655 now positive from the TR.

OK ... Ava.