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Must be a myth then...
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The most important issue here is whether or not the prosecutor will suborn perjury to make his case - like a very large percentage of prosecutors apparently do but most of them don't...

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Yeah, when you have a complaining witness with this many credibility problems, the prosecutor is obviously going to have suborn a whole lot of perjury to win his case...(which obviously he'll do since we all know that suborning perjury is what most prosecutors will do whenever they need to to win their case)

Oh, wait a minute....

It was the prosecutor who on his own initiative, turned over this exculpatory evidence to the defense, just as he is required to do under the law....

Mu gosh, I'm flabbergasted....

Flabbergasted I say, to see a prosecutor, (who we all know is the lowest thing that an attorney can become) actually acting ethically...

I know; it must be because the police have already fabricated the evidence he needs, because, as we all know, this is what most cops do....

Oh, wait a minute....

It was honest police work that developed all the damaging information about the complaining witness, that the
honest prosecutor then turned over to the defense...

Well, I'm flabbergasted again...

Honest prosecutors and honest cops? Heaven's to Betsy, is this even possible?...wow...

This discussion should have gone in "the end times" thread....
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A prosecutor did what the law required him to do. Good on him. It's very refreshing.
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Andrew do you think OJ was innocent?
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I think that the prosecution came nowhere near proving his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. That was the question before the jury, and in my opinion, the jury produced the correct answer.

Did he actually do it? In my opinion, probably. But I wasn't there. And the people whose job it was to prove that he did it failed.
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I agree with Andrew (though I have ZERO doubt that OJ killed Ron Goldman & Nicole Brown Simpson): the prosecution bungled the case beyond belief, coming nowhere near proving his guilt. As a result...the jury found "not guilty".
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Well then I guess we disagree about the definition of "bungled" here Jarl....

I believe the prosecution bungled the case in that they did not present the evidence in a way that the simple minded jurors (jurors who were selected specifically because because of the likelihood that they would not understand the science in the case...for starters, not a single one had ever been to college...the prosecutors got totally owned in the jury selection process...) could understand...

But the evidence they did present was more than enough to establish Simpson's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, to anyone with a three digit IQ who's judgment hadn't been distorted by tales of racist conspiracies that the Cochran and Co. never presented a shred of proof for....

Hell, just one piece of the forensic evidence by itself; the presence of Ron Goldman's blood...(a man Simpson had supposedly never met) on OJ Simpson's socks established his guilt far beyond the standard of reasonable doubt.
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Would that be the blood that matched the blood in the vial that went wandering off in the hands of a cop and came back with less blood in it?
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During the time the OJ trial was going on I was working as a forensic chemist in S. Calif. During that time I visited many of the local police crime labs on business. LA Co Sheriffs main lab, west Covina lab, Long Beach PD lab, LAPD downtown and LAPD Century office, the Calif. State department of justice lab in Riverside and the DEA lab in National City. Several of them multiple times. At each lab I asked the forensic scientists what they expected the verdict to be and 100% said "hung jury". All of them said he was guilty. I think that supports the argument that the case was badly flawed.

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Speaking of OJ (the murderer) Simpson, does anyone besides me think that he should not have been sent to prison for "armed robbery'?

Do you think prosecutors may have suborned perjury in his Las Vegas trial?

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Doesn't everyone think that they may have?

The alternative is to think that there is absolutely no possibility that they did.

Does anyone think that?

Did they actually do so? I have seen almost none of that trial, so I am in no position to say. I would not be surprised either way.
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There is no doubt in my mind that if there had not ever been a murder in which OJ was the main suspect, the incident in Las Vegas would have been insignificant and he may not have even have gone to trial for it.

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He would never have needed the stuff back after selling it to improve his Golf swing...
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He would have had more money to mollify the victims but as it was a serious crime involving force or threats of force I think there is a good chance he would have been tried.

But after the Nicole Simpson murder trial no DA in the US who wanted to keep his/her job was going to give him a break.

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Keld is right...

The only reason it happened was because he was hiding stuff to avoid having it sold to satisfy the civil judgment.

If he hadn't murdered two people, he'd still be making a living from commercials, personal appearances, and B movies....

He'd probably be on Dancing With The Has Beens Stars...
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Lord Jim wrote:Keld is right...

The only reason it happened was because he was hiding stuff to avoid having it sold to satisfy the civil judgment.
I suppose I should have said if there were no murders and an incident similar to the one in Las Vegas were to occur, OJ wouldn't have been tried and possibly locked up for life. It would have been seen as a minor offense and the kidnapping charge would have been thrown out.

I don't believe that justice was served in that case. It's an example of the system being manipulated by prosecutors and a judge in order to punish someone for a crime other than the one he was being tried for.

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No!

Such things never happen!

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Andrew D wrote:No!

Such things never happen!

Prosecutors are paragons of virtue!
An immensely large amount of prosecutors are bad, but most of them aren't... :P

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