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It's gone through....

Jerry Brown signs bill requiring schools to teach gay history

Gov. Jerry Brown has signed legislation requiring public schools to include the contributions of gay and lesbian people in their curriculum, making California the first state to adopt such a requirement.

The legislation, authored by Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, was approved in the Legislature along party lines, with Democrats in favor and Republicans opposed. The governor's office announced this morning that Brown had signed the bill.

Senate Bill 48 requires public instruction in social sciences to include the role and contributions of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans, as well as people with disabilities and members of other cultural groups.

It would prohibit teaching from textbooks or other instructional materials that reflect adversely on people because of their sexual orientation.

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Now what I would like to have seen, would have been an example of a historically important gay person being excluded from history teaching. The fact that this had to go to the legislature to be mandated must mean there was an awful lot of it going on, and that it in some way had an impact on your education system.

Anyone know of an example?
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Well, I can think of at least one...

Pretty much everyone familiar with the history of the era knows that one of President Ford's would-be assassins was Sara Jane Moore, but does anyone know the name of the guy that thwarted her attempt and thus saved the President's life?

Does anyone know that because the press found out that Oliver Sipple, who saved the life of a President, was gay, it was not deemed politically opportune to even invite him to the White House to be thanked by the President, and so he never got the recognition he deserved for the service he rendered his country?

Instead of being feted for saving the life of a President, Oliver Sipple was hounded by the press for being gay, became an alcoholic and died young.

I could also point to the case of Alan Turing, who, while not completely expunged from history, certainly never got the kind of recognition his contribution to winning WWII deserved, through whose ingenuity and leadership the German naval Enigma code was broken. The man was as responsible for winning the war as any general who became a household name. His contribution could not become public knowledge in the immediate postwar period because of the need to preserve secrecy, but he never got the chance while he lived to get the recognition he deserved, or to use his genius to continue to advance the field of computer science, because he was convicted for engaging in homosexual activity, lost his security clearance, and ended up committing suicide by cyanide poisoning. It was only through the efforts of gay activists to rehabilitate his reputation that he belatedly achieved a modest level of fame, nowhere near commeasurate with his accomplishments.

ETA: And of course, the history of the movement towards gay and lesbian equality, from its first organization in the 1950s through the Stonewall era and after, through to the struggle for marriage equality today, deserves some acknowledgement in history curricula in and of itself as a significant social movement.
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Thanks Scoot, so these guys would have not been mentioned, or would have been overlooked, in history texts. If that is the case, then I can see how that would be wrong, (though not as wrong as the "reinterpretation" of the capture of the enigma machine by Hollywood! ;) )
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Didn't you know, the Americans fought and won WWII all on their own.
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They sure saved our Limey asses...
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"They're over-sexed and over here". :ok

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Gob wrote:Thanks Scoot, so these guys would have not been mentioned, or would have been overlooked, in history texts. If that is the case, then I can see how that would be wrong, (though not as wrong as the "reinterpretation" of the capture of the enigma machine by Hollywood! ;) )
Excuse me, but the US Navy got one of those, too!

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BTW, it was in fact the Poles who first cracked Enigma:
The Biuro Szyfrów ([ˈbʲurɔ ˈʂɨfruf] ( listen), Polish for "Cipher Bureau") was the interwar Polish General Staff's agency charged with both cryptography (the use of ciphers and codes) and cryptology (the study of ciphers and codes, particularly for the purpose of "breaking" them).

The precursor of the agency that would become the Cipher Bureau was created in May 1919, during the Polish-Soviet War (1919–21), and played a vital role in securing Poland's survival in that war.

In mid-1931, the Cipher Bureau was formed by the merger of pre-existing agencies. In December 1932, the Bureau began breaking Germany's Enigma ciphers. Over the next seven years, Polish cryptologists overcame the growing structural and operating complexities of the plugboard-equipped Enigma. The Bureau also broke Soviet cryptography.

Five weeks before the outbreak of World War II, on 25 July 1939, in Warsaw, the Polish Cipher Bureau revealed its Enigma-decryption techniques and equipment to representatives of French and British military intelligence, which had been unable to make any headway against Enigma. This Polish intelligence-and-technology transfer would give the Allies an unprecedented advantage (Ultra) in their ultimately victorious prosecution of World War II.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biuro_Szyfr%C3%B3w

There's more to the article...it's an interesting story...

I'm a pretty dedicated student of WW II history, but I was unaware of the important role the Pole's played in this until I saw an excellent documentary on the subject a few weeks ago...
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Scooter wrote:I could also point to the case of Alan Turing, who, while not completely expunged from history, certainly never got the kind of recognition his contribution to winning WWII deserved, through whose ingenuity and leadership the German naval Enigma code was broken. The man was as responsible for winning the war as any general who became a household name. His contribution could not become public knowledge in the immediate postwar period because of the need to preserve secrecy, but he never got the chance while he lived to get the recognition he deserved, or to use his genius to continue to advance the field of computer science, because he was convicted for engaging in homosexual activity, lost his security clearance, and ended up committing suicide by cyanide poisoning. It was only through the efforts of gay activists to rehabilitate his reputation that he belatedly achieved a modest level of fame, nowhere near commeasurate with his accomplishments.

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A prime example of being willfully or blissfully ignorant of basic history?

'while not completely expunged'?

Please. Alan Turing and the Turing machine was the FIRST thing taught at the US college and HS level. Canadian milage apparently differs. They even went as far as to call him the father of computer science, which is pretty fortunate considering I have a degree in it.

While I expect those reading these words here to have zero grasp of the concepts presented by any study of his work, the fact remains that nearly every text I purchased in my schooling years (you know, back when people read books and formed concepts instead of 'web content') had his work in mention - some far more in depth than others.

What was NOT mentioned was his sexuality. So I read and learned about finite state machines and the infamous halting problem, but not about his dick sucking. In fact, it never occured to me to even begin searching into his sexuality nor did it occur to any of my peers or professors until you brought it up. Simply because it is irrelevant.

So while the planet was content of focussing on his contributions, you were content on focussing on whether or not he swallows. Well thats just par for the course. :loon

Suffice to say, any teaching of history, or any other subject, should be concentrated on any individuals contributions to the topic in question, not whether they do it face up or face down. The loss of THAT distinction is one of the root causes why everything is so fucked up today.

Since 1966, the Turing Award has been given annually by the Association for Computing Machinery to a person for technical contributions to the computing community. It is widely considered to be the computing world's highest honour, equivalent to the Nobel Prize
On 13 March 2000, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines issued a set of stamps to celebrate the greatest achievements of the twentieth century, one of which carries a recognisable portrait of Turing against a background of repeated 0s and 1s, and is captioned: "1937: Alan Turing's theory of digital computing".
The Princeton Alumni Weekly named Turing the second most significant alumnus in the history of Princeton University, second only to President James Madison.
In 1999, Time Magazine named Turing as one of the 100 Most Important People of the 20th Century for his role in the creation of the modern computer, and stated: "The fact remains that everyone who taps at a keyboard, opening a spreadsheet or a word-processing program, is working on an incarnation of a Turing machine."
And I could go on, suffice to say it seems he is and has been recognized, especially as the 20th came to a close, without considering his proclivities and without californias help.

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Scooter wrote:Well, I can think of at least one...
After a minimum of research, apparently not.
Pretty much everyone familiar with the history of the era knows that one of President Ford's would-be assassins was Sara Jane Moore, but does anyone know the name of the guy that thwarted her attempt and thus saved the President's life?

Does anyone know that because the press found out that Oliver Sipple, who saved the life of a President, was gay, it was not deemed politically opportune to even invite him to the White House to be thanked by the President, and so he never got the recognition he deserved for the service he rendered his country?

Instead of being feted for saving the life of a President, Oliver Sipple was hounded by the press for being gay, became an alcoholic and died young.
What are the odds that ANY of this is true?

Apparently zero, even tho I am a proponent of the fact that the odds of any any occurance cannot be zero.

reality:
Oliver "Billy" W. Sipple (November 20, 1941 – February 2, 1989) was a decorated US Marine and Vietnam War veteran widely known for saving the life of US President Gerald Ford during an assassination attempt by Sara Jane Moore in San Francisco on September 22, 1975. The subsequent public revelation that Sipple was gay turned the news story into a cause célèbre for gay activists.
He served in the United States Marine Corps and saw action in Vietnam. Shrapnel wounds suffered in December 1968 caused him to finish out his tour of duty in a Philadelphia veterans hospital, from which he was released in March 1970.
Listed as being totally disabled on psychological grounds,[citation needed] he was unable to hold a job and was receiving disability pay.[citation needed] He lived with a merchant seaman roommate, in a fourth-floor walk-up apartment located in San Francisco's Mission District. He later spent six months in San Francisco's VA hospital, and was frequently readmitted into the hospital in 1975, the year he saved Ford's life.
note: those who read will note that Scooter has derided the US military for doing nothing for PTSD, yet here was someone suffering from it, in which 'something' was being done.
Reporters hounded Sipple who at first didn't want his name used, nor his location known
Note how reality somehow gets morphed into with-holding recognition?

I am not going to cut and paste the rest of the data on him, but it seems the only person who conspired to make him a pariah was Harvey Milk. Also par for the course. I would invite others who dont have an activist axe to grind to read the truth.

suffice to add:
His most prized possession was the framed letter from the White House. A letter addressed to the friends of Oliver Sipple was on display for a short period after his death at one of his favorite hangouts, the New Belle Saloon:

"Mrs. Ford and I express our deepest sympathy in this time of sorrow involving your friend's passing..."

President Gerald Ford, February, 1989
Perhaps california would be better served to teach a history course on how much a douche Harvey was...

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Hey, what about Squeaky?

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She also tried to kill President Ford.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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She wasnt gay enough

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Well, I can think of at least one...
Scooter, not to minimize Mr. Sipple's courage or contribution, but that doesn't seem like a really strong example to me...
does anyone know the name of the guy that thwarted her attempt and thus saved the President's life?
Does anyone remember the name Tim McCarthy, the (presumably straight) Secret Service agent who took a bullet for Ronald Reagan?:

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(I sure didn't; I had to look it up)


How many High School history text books do you figure McCarthy's named in? My guess would be very few....(and he actually took a bullet)

If Sipple hasn't been included in HS text books, I don't think one can necessarily conclude it's because he's gay; it seems to me that a better explanation is that given limited space and the amount of subject matter, achievements like his (and McCarthy's) aren't generally included.
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Lord Jim wrote:Does anyone remember the name Tim McCarthy, the (presumably straight) Secret Service agent who took a bullet for Ronald Reagan?
He was at least, at the time, known more for what he did than for his sexual orientation:
During his recovery from abdominal surgery, he received 50,000 get-well cards
He also wasn't hounded into an early grave, but managed to go on to have quite a successful post-Secret Service career.

The fact remains that Oliver Sipple's sexual orientation altered the way the history of the event unfolded in several ways.
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One of the ways that bigotry has been perpetuated against all kinds of groups is that the achievements of their members have been ignored. This was an important part of the civil rights movements for blacks and women and so it is valuable here as well.

Having said that, Alan Turing is very famous and his name was known to everyone at the college level in the1970s, certainly everyone in mathematics, CIS (computer and information sciences), and disciplines which used math. He is better known, and for doing less, than George C. Marshall, for example. Alan Turing was persecuted in his personal life for his homosexuality, but there was no loss of recognition.

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rubato wrote:Alan Turing is very famous and his name was known to everyone at the college level in the1970s, certainly everyone in mathematics, CIS (computer and information sciences), and disciplines which used math.
The issue is how well he was known to students of history, rather than in specialized disciplines that depended upon his work. The issue is also how much more he would have been able to contribute to those disciplines had that door not been shut in his face and caused him to commit suicide.
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Same could be said about Socrates
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Thermopylae...
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is

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keld feldspar wrote:Thermopylae...
I get them, real nasty. I find that this helps;

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I'm not really against this legislation but I wonder why the sexual orientation of anyone who has done something historically significant is necessary.

If it turns out that people like Jack the Ripper, John Wilkes Booth, Adolph Hitler, Ted Bundy and bin laden were gay, why would it need to be required to be referenced in history classes in school ?

Or would only the "good" homosexual people be outed?

That wouldn't be right, would it?

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