Romney Vs. Santorum Vs. Obama

[BoSoxGal]

LDS is a cult, as I have described in detail on several occasions.... "

Right, "my invisible sky-god is rational and makes sense while your invisible sky god sounds crazy and you're a cult."

Pull the other one.

The LDS don't seem to have your cults morality issues though. No systematic child rape, infant stealing .. &c.

yrs,
rubato

Tell that to the hundreds of child 'brides' of polygamist LDS followers.

[Lord Jim]

Tell that to the hundreds of child 'brides' of polygamist LDS followers.

Come on BSG...

The mainstream Mormon Church doesn't endorse "child brides" or polygamy...

[BoSoxGal]

Nor does the Catholic Church officially endorse pedophilia.

When was the last time you saw a senior official of the LDS Church disavowing the Warren Jeffs of the faith?

Are you familiar with the history of the LDS Church in more than just a general sense?

[Lord Jim]

Nor does the Catholic Church officially endorse pedophilia.

Nor does it unofficially endorse it...

When was the last time you saw a senior official of the LDS Church disavowing the Warren Jeffs of the faith?

You're kidding, right? Warren Jeffs is no more representative of the Mormon Faith than David Koresh is of the Seventh Day Adventists...

[MajGenl.Meade]

I lost a post there durn it.

Was pointing out that rubato's critical remark was really related to historic past of the RC church - not to the 21st century. They don't promote systematic child rape and infant stealing now.

Therefore the appropriate LDS comparison is to their history also - not what they do in this more enlightened age.

And again, dgs49 did point out that the preposterousness of LDS beliefs is/was an opinion that no doubt the Romans entertained about Christianity and by extension that any pagan/unbeliever would entertain now. It was rather pointless for rubato to say that our invisible god is no sillier a belief (to one who does not believe) than their invisible god - because in his way dgs49 had already acknowledge that. Neither one of us agrees of course. The Christian God is eminently arguable from logic whereas LDS blasphemy is an obvious stupidity to both Christians and non-christians

Meade

[Lord Jim]

Gen'l , when it comes to politics, my rule on religion is very simple...

I don't care who the POTUS believes God is....

So long as he doesn't think HE is....

(Which was part of my problem with Gingrich....)

[MajGenl.Meade]

Not a bad rule that

[rubato]

LDS is a cult, as I have described in detail on several occasions.... "

Right, "my invisible sky-god is rational and makes sense while your invisible sky god sounds crazy and you're a cult."

Pull the other one.

The LDS don't seem to have your cults morality issues though. No systematic child rape, infant stealing .. &c.

yrs,
rubato

Tell that to the hundreds of child 'brides' of polygamist LDS followers.

That's a good point. Do they have a comparable history of enabling and covering up things like that?

yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

I lost a post there durn it.

Was pointing out that rubato's critical remark was really related to historic past of the RC church - not to the 21st century. They don't promote systematic child rape and infant stealing now.
... "

Meade

Yes they do. Spain until the very recent past. You thought it stopped with the Hugenots?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Spain.html

"... 300,000 babies stolen from their parents - and sold for adoption: Haunting BBC documentary exposes 50-year scandal of baby trafficking by the Catholic church in Spain ...

By Polly Dunbar
UPDATED: 05:55 EST, 16 October 2011

Up to 300,000 Spanish babies were stolen from their parents and sold for adoption over a period of five decades, a new investigation reveals.

The children were trafficked by a secret network of doctors, nurses, priests and nuns in a widespread practice that began during General Franco’s dictatorship and continued until the early Nineties.

Hundreds of families who had babies taken from Spanish hospitals are now battling for an official government investigation into the scandal.
Several mothers say they were told their first-born children had died during or soon after they gave birth.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1qi2SiV1n
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15335899

Spanish society has been shaken by allegations of the theft and trafficking of thousands of babies by nuns, priests and doctors, which started under Franco and continued up to the 1990s.

...

"Doctors, nuns?" she says, almost in horror. "I couldn't accuse them of lying. This was Franco's Spain. A dictatorship. Even now we Spaniards tend not to question authority."

The scale of the baby trafficking was unknown until this year, when two men - Antonio Barroso and Juan Luis Moreno, childhood friends from a seaside town near Barcelona - discovered that they had been bought from a nun. Their parents weren't their real parents, and their life had been built on a lie.

Juan Luis Moreno discovered the truth when the man he had been brought to call "father" was on his deathbed.
Antonio Barroso and Juan Luis Moreno Antonio Barroso and Juan Luis Moreno took their story to the papers - and opened the floodgates

"He said, 'I bought you from a priest in Zaragoza'. He said that Antonio had been bought as well."

The pair were hurt and angry. They say they felt like two dogs that had been bought at a pet shop. An adoption lawyer they turned to for advice said he came across cases like theirs all the time.

The pair went to the press and suddenly the story was everywhere. Mothers began to come forward across Spain with disturbingly similar stories.
... "
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yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

Now that I think of it the LDS church used semi-legal means to kidnap Native American children. Not as wicked as telling women their children had died and then selling them though (300,000 !) .

Se we're back to two "invisible sky gods" whose "holy churches on earth" are both corrupt.

yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

I lost a post there durn it.

"... The Christian God is eminently arguable from logic whereas LDS blasphemy is an obvious stupidity to both Christians and non-christians

Meade

Pull the other one.

Buddhism is the only rational religion because the Dalai Lama said that "if science proves Buddhism wrong then Buddhism has to change". Christianity, irrational to the end, says the opposite.

yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

I disagree but not for this thread really. If science proves Christianity wrong (in what?) then Christianity would have to change. I don't know which theologians you read but ..... not for this thread eh? Want to start one?

Meade

[Lord Jim]

I'm certainly no theologian, and would not claim to be one, but it seems to me that Christianity has proven to be fairly durable over the centuries....

But you're right...

This isn't the thread to discuss that...

This is the thread to discuss why it would be a wonderful thing for the GOP if Romney beat Santorum by 20 points in Wisconsin next Tuesday and brought an end to this pseudo tussle...

Gen'l if you would like to have a discussion on the Christianity topic, I suggest you start the thread...

If rube starts it, it will most likely be ignored; almost no one around here takes anything he has to say seriously any more.

[Gob]

I disagree!

"Any more" indeed....

[Lord Jim]

[Grim Reaper]

Romney is apparently feeling a little left out lately, he claims President Obama spent too much time at Harvard. And he says this while holding two degrees to President Obama's one. He had to spend four years compared to the three that President Obama spent there.

So if three years is too much, then what's four years?