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Gob wrote:
Jarlaxle wrote:Hardly. They are either elected by the voters or appointed by political hacks (often in what is not QUITE an openly corrupt process).

Judges are not "elected" (what a strange concept!) in the UK and Aus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_ ... Commission

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary_of_Australia
Not so strange - state judges and local judges are elected; which means you can throw the rascals out if they don't dole out justice properly. Federal judges are appointed (right, legal experts? I usually get something wrong with these kinds of statements)

Some people might think it odd re magistrates in the Yuk:

2. Can you be a magistrate?

You need to give up some of your spare time and not everyone can serve as a magistrate.
Qualifications

You don’t need formal qualifications or legal training to become a magistrate.

You will get full training for the role, and a legal adviser in court will help you with questions about the law.
Age

You have to be over 18 and under 65.

Magistrates must retire at 70 and are normally expected to serve for at least 5 years.
Health

You need to be able to hear clearly, with or without a hearing aid, to listen to a case.

You also need to be able to sit and concentrate for long periods of time.
Personal qualities

You need to show you’ve got the right personal qualities, eg that you are:

aware of social issues
mature, understand people and have a sense of fairness
reliable and committed to serving the community

You also need to be able to:

understand documents, follow evidence and communicate effectively
think logically, weigh up arguments and reach a fair decision

Good character

It’s unlikely you’ll be taken on if you have been:

found guilty of a serious crime
found guilty of a number of minor offences
banned from driving in the past 5 to 10 years
declared bankrupt

Conflicts of interest

You can’t be a magistrate if you work in one of a small number of jobs where there could be a conflict of interest - eg if you are a police officer.
Time off for magistrate duties

You will need to be in court for at least 13 days, or 26 half-days, a year.

Discuss with your employer how you will balance your work and magistrate duties.
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That seems all perfectly reasonable.
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LET THE CONSPIRACY BEGIN

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It seems that good ol' Antonin's death may have been anything but "natural causes."
http://www.youngcons.com/wapo-confusion ... ce-scalia/
Me? My conspiracy theory is he went out like Nelson Rockerfeller.

To paraphrase a quote at that time, “Antonin... thought he was coming, but he was going.”
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I have to give Obama some props for this one:
THE PRESIDENT: Good evening, everybody. For almost 30 years, Justice Antonin 'Nino' Scalia was a larger-than-life presence on the bench - a brilliant legal mind with an energetic style, incisive wit, and colorful opinions.

He influenced a generation of judges, lawyers, and students, and profoundly shaped the legal landscape. He will no doubt be remembered as one of the most consequential judges and thinkers to serve on the Supreme Court.

Justice Scalia dedicated his life to the cornerstone of our democracy: the rule of law. Tonight, we honor his extraordinary service to our nation and remember one of the towering legal figures of our time.

Antonin Scalia was born in Trenton, New Jersey to an Italian immigrant family. After graduating from Georgetown University and Harvard Law School, he worked at a law firm and taught law before entering a life of public service. He rose from Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel to Judge on the D.C. Circuit Court, to Associate Justice of the Supreme Court.

A devout Catholic, he was the proud father of nine children and grandfather to many loving grandchildren. Justice Scalia was both an avid hunter and an opera lover - a passion for music that he shared with his dear colleague and friend, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Michelle and I were proud to welcome him to the White House, including in 2012 for a state dinner for Prime Minister David Cameron. And tonight, we join his fellow justices in mourning this remarkable man.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-statement-d ... 16851.html

Compare those gracious remarks to the vile sputum that rube vomited into this discussion....
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RayThom wrote:It seems that good ol' Antonin's death may have been anything but "natural causes."
http://www.youngcons.com/wapo-confusion ... ce-scalia/
Me? My conspiracy theory is he went out like Nelson Rockerfeller.

To paraphrase a quote at that time, “Antonin... thought he was coming, but he was going.”

Of course there should be a well monitored autopsy. When anyone as important as a SCJ dies there should be an autopsy as a matter of routine. What, are you saying that people on the left would not l kill their enemies. Does that apply to Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot?

I am not saying that he Was killed; I am just saying there should always be an autopsy to hold down conspiracy theories if for no other reason.
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I agree, there should be an autopsy...

BTW lib, are you aware that you have two typos in your new sig line?
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Lib--Hitler, the fervent anti-communist who used the "Bolshevik threat" to bring in his brand of totalitarianism, was "on the left"?

Jim--I agree re an autopsy unless he was being terminal treated for a condition we knew nothing of and his death was not a surprise.

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Lord Jim wrote:"...

Compare those gracious remarks to the vile sputum that rube vomited into this discussion....
To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth.
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And Scalia was a nasty man who said:

11. Blacks belong at slower schools — Arguing Fisher v. University of Texas

In the affirmative action case, Scalia questioned whether it was beneficial for African-Americans if more black students were admitted to the university under affirmative action.

“There are those who contend that it does not benefit African-Americans to get them into the University of Texas, where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school where they do well,” he said. “One of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the University of Texas. They come from lesser schools where they do not feel that they're being pushed ahead in classes that are too fast for them.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/b ... z40G8DckO4
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Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached.

Some people just can't take the truth.

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I wonder what would happen if Obama nominated Hillary to the SC?


I wonder if Hillary will nominate Obama for the open seat on the court?


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the idea came from the letters section of today's Chronicle.

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“There are those who contend that it does not benefit African-Americans to get them into the University of Texas, where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school where they do well,” he said. “One of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the University of Texas. They come from lesser schools where they do not feel that they're being pushed ahead in classes that are too fast for them.”
It's unfair to attribute racism to this statement; indeed, it is the way oral argument proceeds to have the proponent of a point (in this case counsel for UT) respond to the points raised by the opposing side(s) in the Briefs filed. There is nothing here that even suggests that it is Scalia's own opinion, but merely that he is quoting arguments advanced in one of the Briefs.

Scalia may or may not have been a racist, but this exchange provides no evidence one way or the other.

There are a lot of decisions he made, and statements in opinions he wrote, that I disagree with completely; bust generally statements made during arguments reveal little of the ultimate opinion (inn this case he wrote a concurrence with the opinion of 5 other members of the court--Thomas also wrote a concurrence (I forget who dissented).
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rubato wrote:I wonder what would happen if Obama nominated Hillary to the SC?


I wonder if Hillary will nominate Obama for the open seat on the court?


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the idea came from the letters section of today's Chronicle.
I saw this yesterday:

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The whole Obama on the court rumor is just a bunch of right-wing rile them up nonsense (and coincidentally generates a lot of clicks and advertising). We all know that he will follow the time honored tradition of becoming very wealthy once his term comes to an end. I see him more in the mode of Bush 41 and 43, or Clinton, moderate visibility, enjoying celebrity, etc.

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Personally, I'd rather have the SC justices selected from among legal scholars than among politicians, especially politicians having held national office.

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joe biden?

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It's unfair to attribute racism to this statement; indeed, it is the way oral argument proceeds to have the proponent of a point (in this case counsel for UT) respond to the points raised by the opposing side(s) in the Briefs filed. There is nothing here that even suggests that it is Scalia's own opinion, but merely that he is quoting arguments advanced in one of the Briefs.
Wow, you mean to tell me that rube took something completely out of context to provide "evidence" for his point?

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Jim--to be fair not only rubato; the writer of the piece he quoted also stated (or at least strongly suggested) that, and as I recall when the case was argued others (unfairly IMHO) made the same argument.

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Scalia's Grave-Dancers Deserve a Harsh Verdict
270 Feb 14, 2016 11:06 AM EST
By Stephen L. Carter

When the news broke Saturday that Justice Antonin Scalia had died at age 79, my Twitter feed began to fill with hate. Not disagreement or disrespect -- actual hate. He was an ignorant waste of flesh, wrote one young fool. His death was the best news in decades, cheered another. Then there was the woman who just had to tell the world that she felt safer now than she had at the death of Osama bin Laden. And several people expressed the hope -- the hope! -- that Clarence Thomas would die next.

Thus we see the discursive toll of our depressing Supreme Court deathwatch. We’re actually rooting for people to die.

It’s unusual for a vacancy to occur in the midst of a presidential campaign, but it’s common as cake for activists to dream the hours away speculating on who’ll be next to go, and for journalists to count up the number of appointments they think the next president will get to make. Sometimes in their earnestness the activists of left and right do indeed sound as if they’re rooting for a death or two. They seem to think the justices whose votes enrage them deserve to go.

None of this is entirely new. My mentor, Justice Thurgood Marshall, didn’t die in harness, but I remember the deathwatch all the same. I was serving as one of his law clerks in 1980, the year Ronald Reagan was elected, and on election night, one of the television networks reported that Marshall had decided to quit the court, in order to give Jimmy Carter the opportunity to make an appointment. The report was false, of course, and Marshall was furious. Some in the building speculated that the story had been planted by activists hoping he would get the message and depart, clearing the way for a younger liberal voice -- much as, in recent years, some on the left have openly if cruelly urged Ruth Bader Ginsburg to step down, as though she owes them some special fealty.

Throughout the Reagan administration, movement conservatives kept their envious eyes on Marshall’s precarious health. After George H.W. Bush was elected in 1988, one silly activist went so far as to tell a reporter that he hoped that Marshall was keeping the seat warm for Thomas.

Disgusting.

But here’s the thing. When Marshall, his health broken, at last stepped down in 1991, with a year and a half to live, there were only encomiums, even from conservatives. True, Twitter didn’t exist. If it had, perhaps the gleeful right would have been dancing in public. Instead, whatever champagne was drunk was poured in private. And that makes all the difference. To mute those cheers shows respect not only for the dead, but also for the institution.

When Chief Justice Fred Vinson died during the pendency of Brown v. Board of Education, Felix Frankfurter memorably called the event “the first solid piece of evidence I've ever had that there really is a God.” But he said it in private, and would have been justifiably furious had the clerk to whom he had made the comment publicized it during Frankfurter’s own lifetime. To trash the justices because we don’t like their votes (usually on a handful of issues) is to diminish the majesty of the court itself. The more we do it, the less reason there is for anybody to respect the justices when at last whichever side we’re on has a majority.

Marshall took a similar view. During the last year of his life, I was assisting him with his oral history, and we spent many hours together. One of the many delights of listening to his tales was the generosity of spirit with which he described his opponents. He spoke with warmth of the very justices who were busily chipping away at his legacy.

Nor was his affection reserved for his colleagues. Before becoming a judge, Marshall spent years litigating civil-rights cases, often at great risk to his life. In the course of his travels, he got to know many of the leading segregationists of the age, some quite well. When he talked about them in the oral history, his eyes would glow with affection. They were dead wrong on race, he said, but they weren’t bad people. Across the nation’s greatest moral divide, Marshall respected, and now and then even admired, those who fought him.

That quality didn’t make him unique among his generation. But it’s a talent we’ve largely lost.

Nowadays we burn too much energy evaluating people based on whether we agree with them or not. It’s a pardonable vice, and in the worst case perhaps a necessary one, but it can get out of hand. There’s a vast difference between “He’s wrong” and “He’s a worthless bag of flesh who deserved to die.” Sadly, we live in an era when every case is the worst.

The late Christopher Hitchens once wrote: “One test of un homme sérieux is that it is possible to learn from him even when one radically disagrees with him.” He was right. Those with whom we disagree will often have things to teach us, if we’ll let them.

Scalia was un homme sérieux in the classic sense -- a person of both seriousness and character, a man hard to bully. Did I disagree with his positions? Frequently, and often with passion. But he was a brilliant scholar and jurist, as well as a marvelous writer, and I never failed to learn from his wonderfully crafted opinions. The need to counter his arguments made mine better. And on some issues (the importance of robust protection of Sixth Amendment rights, for instance) Scalia’s opinions converted me to his cause.

It’s tragic that we can’t respect and admire each other across our many differences. It’s worse that we dance when people die. If the depressing deathwatch is the best we can do, I for one would rather go without a Supreme Court of the United States.

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Wass
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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LR :ok

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