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Joe Guy wrote:
Burning Petard wrote: BUT. I think the Donald is right. He could stand in the middle of the street and shoot someone at random, and it would not cost him one vote.
He's wrong about that. What if he shot someone who was planning to vote for him?
Nobody said he had to kill them.  Besides, as I noted above, there are probably countless numbers of his brain-dead minions who would be willing to take one for the team.
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The DNCC is putting on the best party convention in Philadelphia this week that I think I've ever watched - at least since I started watching them in 1976.

One of the pundits on MSNBC (Chris Matthews, I think) just said that maybe Donald Trump is the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party; maybe he's not far off the mark. Having a demagogue like Chump promoting racial division, religious intolerance, sexism, etc. - it's really fired up the party base in a big way! :ok

I have to go next week to register to vote; I'm going to register as a Democrat. :mrgreen:
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I still can't stand Katy Perry, though.
GAH!

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Yeah, who IS she? :shrug

I don't follow pop music all that well . . .
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BoSoxGal wrote:Yeah, who IS she?... I don't follow pop music all that well . . .
If I have it correct, Perry is the ex lead singer for the rock band, Journey.
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RayThom wrote:
BoSoxGal wrote:Yeah, who IS she?... I don't follow pop music all that well . . .
If I have it correct, Perry is the ex lead singer for the rock band, Journey.
Also made all those Madea movies.
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""Last week (Trump) touted the viewership for his Republican convention and predicted that no one would watch the Democrats.

"Unless you want to be lied to, belittled, and attacked for your beliefs, don't watch Hillary's DNC speech tonight," the email read. "Instead, help Donald Trump hold her accountable, call out her lies and fight back against her nasty attacks.""

To paraphrase Yogi Berra, ""Nobody goes to the DNC convention anymore. It's too crowded."
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Don't know if the convention coverage had anything on this:
Fiberglass donkeys swarm Philadelphia for Democratic convention

The arts program, entitled "Donkeys Around Town", called for a total of 57 painted donkey statues, representing each individual state and territory (plus the District of Columbia) to be placed in time for the Democratic Convention.

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The installation was generally well accepted; however, it *was* overshadowed by the Republican National Convention — which nominated the World's Largest Jackass as their presidential candidate.
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This could wind up being an outlier...

We'll see....
Trump Reeling As Clinton Gets 10 Point Democratic Convention Bounce And 15 Point Lead

A new poll taken after the Democratic convention revealed that Hillary Clinton had erased any gains that Trump made after the Republican convention, with a 10 point convention bounce and a 15 point lead.

A new poll taken after the Democratic convention revealed that Hillary Clinton had erased any gains that Trump made after the Republican convention, with a 10 point convention bounce and a 15 point lead.

RABA Research found:
Among likely voters, Clinton garners 46% support to Trump’s 31%. Libertarian Gary Johnson now captures 7% of the vote, while Jill Stein sits at 2%.

A RABA Research poll conducted the day after the Republican convention showed a tighter race, with Clinton at 39% and Trump at 34%. Johnson was at 8% in that survey, while Stein found 3% support.

When asked if the Democratic National Convention was a failure or success, 38% of respondents called the convention a success, while 23% dubbed it a failure. 38% of respondents said neither, or that they were not sure.

The RABA poll showed Clinton opening up a 7 point lead with men (42%-35%), a 22 point lead with women (50%-28%). Clinton also had 14% of the Republican vote, and she led by double digits with all age groups.

The poll was a bipartisan poll that was not paid for by any candidate, party, or organization.

The consensus reviews by objective observers has been that Hillary Clinton had a very good convention. It remains to be seen what other post-convention polls will reveal, but a ten point bounce is a great convention. What is even worse for Trump is that his few days of being able to proclaim that he is winning have vanished.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/30/ ... -lead.html
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This may be a more accurate snap shot of the race right now:
Poll: Clinton leads Trump by 7 points after convention

Last week’s Democratic National Convention has vaulted Hillary Clinton back into the lead in the presidential race, according to a new poll released Monday.

The former secretary of state leads her Republican opponent Donald Trump by seven percentage points, 46 percent to 39 percent, in a fresh CBS News national poll. Clinton’s seven-point lead comes just one week after last week’s poll, in which she and Trump were tied at 42. Since then, Clinton’s support among poll respondents grew by four points while Trump’s dropped by three.

The Democratic convention also offered Clinton a substantial bounce to her favorability numbers: The number of respondents who said they had positive views of Clinton climbed to 36 percent from 31 percent a week ago. Similarly, the number of respondents who said they viewed the former secretary of state unfavorably dropped six points, from 56 percent to 50 percent, in the wake of the Philadelphia convention. [Of course she may just have undone that with dishonesty about the emails again :roll: ]
More than half of those who responded to the poll said they hold an unfavorable opinion of Trump, while just 31 percent said they view him favorably, down three points from his own post-convention bounce a week ago.[This will probably get worse too after his interview this week.]
The poll was conducted via telephone between July 29-31, after the conclusion of the Democratic National Convention. It reached 1,393 adults nationwide, of which 1,131 were registered voters. The margin of error for both groups was plus-or-minus three percentage points.

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The pre-convention analysis was that if she came out with a tepid bounce (1-4 points), that would bode ill for her. If she came out with a big bounce (10 points) that would mean Trump was in deep trouble. Looks like she got a better than average poll increase from the convention. Given her widely panned convention speech (maybe it just looked mediocre compared to the good speeches that got substantial press?), and her continuing missteps, that is probably the best she could have hoped for. Her campaign should count this as a good week.

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I admit I don't read all the papers or watch all the channels, but how are you calling her speech 'widely panned'? :shrug

I've heard it praised by pundits on several networks and in several print publications as her strongest speech ever.

Meanwhile I agree with LJ, she's stepped in it on the emails issue AGAIN, I can't fathom how she can't get better control of how she speaks about this. Listening to her talk about how her mother pushed her to stand up to bullies as a child, I can't help but wonder if she's just too defensive by nature and can't make herself apologize profusely, admit her mistake, and shut up about it already!
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Politicians: Denial is inherent. Scroll down to "PoliSci 101":
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Meanwhile I agree with LJ, she's stepped in it on the emails issue AGAIN, I can't fathom how she can't get better control of how she speaks about this. Listening to her talk about how her mother pushed her to stand up to bullies as a child, I can't help but wonder if she's just too defensive by nature and can't make herself apologize profusely, admit her mistake, and shut up about it already!
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Long Run wrote:The pre-convention analysis was that if she came out with a tepid bounce (1-4 points), that would bode ill for her. If she came out with a big bounce (10 points) that would mean Trump was in deep trouble. Looks like she got a better than average poll increase from the convention. Given her widely panned convention speech (maybe it just looked mediocre compared to the good speeches that got substantial press?), and her continuing missteps, that is probably the best she could have hoped for. Her campaign should count this as a good week.
Widely panned? Where (besides Breitbart, perhaps) was her speech panned? She's getting the big bounce, her convention was universally recognized as far superior to the Trumpanzee affair, and her campaign kicked off exactly how it needed to kick off.
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David Brook, on PBS/NPR, in their end of the night wrap at the convention, said Hillory's speech was only moderately good. He said she hit all the points she needed to hit, but not with any fire or game-changing words or delivery. His comments told me that 'her best speech ever' was a pretty low standard.

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Lord Jim wrote:
Meanwhile I agree with LJ, she's stepped in it on the emails issue AGAIN, I can't fathom how she can't get better control of how she speaks about this. Listening to her talk about how her mother pushed her to stand up to bullies as a child, I can't help but wonder if she's just too defensive by nature and can't make herself apologize profusely, admit her mistake, and shut up about it already!
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Isn't that what they do when the minister repeats some superstition or other?


Back in the real world where people make decisions based on facts and knees don't all jerk hard-right:
F.B.I. Director James Comey Recommends No Charges for Hillary Clinton on Email
To warrant a criminal charge, Mr. Comey said, there had to be evidence that Mrs. Clinton intentionally transmitted or willfully mishandled classified information. The F.B.I. found neither, and as a result, he said, “our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”
That's all it ever was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.

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Lying Hillary is the devil, but the Donald is just sarcastic and tells lots of jokes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ri ... ions_pop_b

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Burning Petard wrote:David Brook, on PBS/NPR, in their end of the night wrap at the convention, said Hillory's speech was only moderately good. He said she hit all the points she needed to hit, but not with any fire or game-changing words or delivery. His comments told me that 'her best speech ever' was a pretty low standard.

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David Brooks is a sourpuss conservative who would never call anything Hillary did "best ever" on principle alone.

Try a wider source of speech reviews, maybe?
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