The Final Debate...

[Guinevere]

Clinton Probably Finished Off Trump Last Night

There was nothing flashy about Clinton’s performance at either the convention or the debates. She was just prepared, steady and tactically smart —

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cli ... ast-night/

"Just" my ass. Aren't those exactly the traits one wants in a President? Call me crazy, but that's the kind of leader I'm looking for....

[oldr_n_wsr]

... Thought about taking a BIG DRINK (HUUUUUGE) of JD... I didn't really think of having a drink

o_n_w, yes, sobriety, does indeed, require a good sense of humor -- yet also much self-reliance. Your disclaimer sounds like positive control but until you get some extra distance between yourself and your last drink I suggest you don't mess around with reinforcing any of that haunting negative behavior -- lighthearted or otherwise -- that might easily suck you back into the void. You may find yourself laughing all the way back to rehab if you make too much light of the situation.

This is just some cautionary advice from a fellow alcoholic. However, your mileage may vary.

BTW: Had I chosen the AA route for sobriety maintenance I would be receiving this chip on November 15th. Be safe. Peace.

Congrats to you RayThom. If I stay sober and live past ninety I could get that coin.

And while I do joke about being a drunk, I do take the program very seriously. I do hate many of the slogans*** (even if they do ring true) but I like this one, "we are not a glum lot".

*** I even put the slogans on my list of resentments when I did step 4.

Thanks for the words of advice. you are right, Cunning Baffling and powerful it is and will use any means it can, even light hearted joking.

[oldr_n_wsr]

And I did hear a replay of clintons words about her and the 2nd ammendment. I wish these politicos would stop withthe "gun show loophole". There is no gun show loophole. Go to a gun show and try and buy a gun using the so called "gun show loophole" and let me know how that turns out.
How many crimes were committed with guns that were bought using the "gun show loophole"?

I had to find something

[Burning Petard]

The 'gun show loop hole' is that I (as an ordinary citizen, non-federally licensed dealer) can go to a gun show, bring in my own personal arsenal, and sell it to anyone with the cash I am willing to accept.

Course I could call this the 'road shoulder loop hole' because I could stand on the side of the road with a cardboard sign and a bunch of firearms and do the same thing.

But I was more tickled by the mental image the Donald presented of Hillary shrinking the 2nd amendment to some tiny thing printed in 4 point type.

The Donald seems to have an amazing ignorance of what a president can do about gun laws or what one single senator from New York can do about trade regulations.

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[Burning Petard]

The Donald seems to be throwing in the towel. His campaign manager has quit. Five38Eight says only Iowa and Arizona electoral votes are in doubt now. Does the Donald have any ground game?

But there is also the nagging results of polls that showed the Brexit vote and the Columbia peace vote one way and in actuality the vote went the other way.

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[Econoline]

Trump is now actively promoting the conspiracy theory that Clinton was given last night's debate questions in advance.

Guess what?

He's right.

It was obvious Clinton knew all the questions in advance.

BECAUSE NONE OF THEM WERE IN ANY WAY A SURPRISE.

Leaving aside the utterly ludicrous idea Fox News would (even without the clammy groping right wing hand of Roger Ailes) help out HILLARY GODDAMNED CLINTON in any way, only somebody so appallingly ignorant of reality as Donald Trump could possibly NOT know what questions were going to come up in last night's debate.

Let's review, shall we?

First Question: Supreme Court.

Wow. What a surprise. There is no way Clinton could have seen that one coming and been prepared for it without cheating. No way. I mean when's the last time you heard anybody talk about the Supreme Court in reference to this election? Amiright? Poor Trump was totally blindsided. Sad!

A subset of the SCOTUS question was the Second Amendment. It's like that one just came out of the blue. There's hardly been any discussion of guns or gun violence or crazy people with guns at all in America. No headlines. No NRA statements. The president, congress, crazy enraged Jade-Helm-smoking American Patriots of Patriotic American Patriotism sure haven't mentioned it. So how would Hillary Clinton be prepared to talk about it? Without cheating, I mean?

A subset of the SCOTUS question was ... Abortion? Seriously? Abortion? Roe V Wade? That's so 1973. It was settled long ago, right? I mean you never hear anybody talking about abortion. Why would the moderator even bring that up? That's like hoop skirts and Conestoga wagons, who even cares about that stuff anymore? Abortion. Please.

Second Question: Immigration.

Total shocker. Never saw that one coming. Why would a candidate even have any opinion on immigration? Borders? Refugees? Where to they get these crazy questions? Why don't they ask things Americans care about? You know, stuff that's in the headlines and like that?

A subtext of this question was Wikileaks and Russian spying. Again, how would a candidate possibly know to prepare for such topics? I mean, come ON, Russian hacking of emails? It might as well have been "Obscure 18th Century Hungarian Beekeepers who Collected Stamps." I mean who knows that shit? Other than Jeopardy contestants who've never even grabbed a ... okay, that's a bad example but I think I've made my point here, Clinton MUST have had advance notice. Obviously. So sad.

Another subtopic: Nuclear weapons. And we're back to Hungarian beekeepers. Nuclear weapons? What is this? A Cold War debate? Sure if you drink enough and squint your eyes Trump does sort of resemble Margaret Thatcher, but goddamn, folks, nuclear weapons? Who cares? What kind of presidential candidate is prepared to talk about nuclear weapons off the cuff? She had to have cheated, Folks. Had to.

Third Question: Jobs

Jobs. Economy. NAFTA. Taxes. Trade. Obamacare. What the hell does ANY of that have to do with anything? It's all Hungarian beekeeping! When has ANY of that come up during this election? What kind of crazy old lady would bone up on that stuff if she didn't know in advance liberal Fox News was going to pull a gotcha on Donald Trump?

Sexual shenanigans? Groping and grabbing? Nasty women? Good grief, Folks, I was totally surprised by that. No idea that was going to come up. Crazy! I mean name one election in American history where sex was even mentioned like at all. See? Nobody talks about that kind of thing, it's like abortion or gay marriage. I mean how would Crooked Hillary be ready for that? Cheater!

I ...

What?

OK, I'll stop.

As I said last night, Trump is that kid who studied for his first period algebra exam by glancing at his scribbled incomplete notes from English class for a frantic ten minutes on the bus on the way to school.

OF COURSE Hillary Clinton knew the questions in advance.

Fox News didn't have to give Clinton the questions.

Clinton didn't have to cheat.

EVERYBODY in America who's been paying even marginal attention knew the questions in advance.

There are naked tribesmen living in the remote stone-age jungles of Mindanao Island who wear those giant dick-spear-sheaths and speak only the Click-Click language who knew what the questions were going to be.

Any halfwit could have predicted the questions last night with a high degree of accuracy. Certainly any competent political campaign debate prep team could have gotten 100% -- Clinton's sure as shit did.

The ONLY person in the room who wasn't prepared for last night's debate was Donald Trump.

So of course it looked like magic to him.

The man has no depth, none.

His entire platform is nothing but soundbites and bad one-liners. There's NOTHING behind it. He's basically Biff from Back to the Future. He's never had to know anything. He's had a mob of toadies and yes-men crowding around him his entire life. He's never had to be an expert on anything and now he thinks he's qualified for the most complex job in the world?

Clinton said last night "You know, I could talk for the rest of the debate; I know I don't have the time to do that" and she was right. She COULD have talked on any of the subjects brought up last night in any detail necessary -- in fact, that was the danger, that she'd go into detail and lose her audience's attention. She actually has to hold back on her knowledge and experience or she puts people off.

These debates are usually nothing but ridiculous theater. A spectacle for the shouting mindless mob. We might as well strap the candidates into monster trucks and have them race around a mud track smashing into each other and roaring over junker cars while Ted Nugent's Cat Scratch Fever blares from speakers and giant explosions thrill the crowd.

But this debate wasn't the usual.

This debate and the two before showed you in no uncertain terms that one candidate is utterly unqualified for the job and the other has been preparing for it her whole life.

What this debate showed you more than anything else is this:

Trump is dangerous.

Trump is dangerous, not because he is a racist and a misogynist and nationalist and a bully -- or rather not JUST because of those things.

He's dangerous because he's shallow.

He's dangerous because he's unprepared.

He's dangerous because he has no experience in anything that matters, including facing adversity.

He's dangerous because he wasn't even prepared to answer the obvious questions.

He's dangerous because to him knowledge, depth, experience, maturity, preparation, research, practice, reason, deliberation, patience, self control, intellect, all of these things, these traits we admire in a leader, seem to be a cheat, magic, unfair, and skills he has neither the aptitude to master or the temperament to understand.

To Donald Trump, every single skill necessary to be president might as well indeed be 18th Century Hungarian beekeeping.

https://www.facebook.com/Stonekettle/po ... 6913789377

[Guinevere]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, etc. I mean none of this is a surprise. HRC, as she said herself, relies on that incredible performance enhancer called "preparation." As a female lawyer, I see this same phenomenon all the time - the privileged white male who thinks he can get by on BS and the OBN. It is always a pleasure to take him down because I'm more prepared.

[Econoline]

[RayThom]

Wow, what a standup guy The Donald is. A real trouper, a true American. Look at all he's worked for -- at least we know it won't be his fault 'if' he loses.

I’m working harder too, folks. I am working harder. I’ve got three stops today. We’ve got three of these today. We’ve got three. You know, I’ve got three on occasion I have four. I think I have one rest day where I have two. But these are massive rallies, and we’re going to do this for another nineteen days right up until the actual vote of November eighth, and then I don’t know what kind of shape I’m in, but I’ll be happy either way. But at least I will have known win, lose, or draw, and I’m almost sure that if the people come out, we’re going to win.

But I will be happy with myself because I always say I don’t want to think back if only I had did one more rally I would have won North Carolina by 500 votes instead of losing it by 200 votes. Right?
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/21/ ... inton.html

[Econoline]

[Lord Jim]

Ain't that the truth...

We could definitely have used a little rigging in New Hampshire...

Of course as others (including Hillary) have pointed out, every time he did lose a primary or caucus he claimed it was rigged...

[Lord Jim]

And I doubt we've seen the end of sexual assault accusers coming forward...

11th Woman Accuses Donald Trump of Inappropriate Sexual Behavior



An eleventh woman came forward Saturday to publicly accuse Donald Trump of inappropriate sexual behavior.

Adult film star Jessica Drake alleged at a Los Angeles press conference that in 2006 Trump hugged kissed her and two female companions in his hotel room without permission. She also charged that after she left the room, Trump or someone acting on his behalf called her and offered her $10,000 to return.

"Collectively, his words and his actions are a huge testament to his character: That of uncontrollable misogyny, entitlement and being a sexual assault apologist," said Drake.

Drake said she wasn't seeking monetary compensation and doesn't need the fame or attention. "I understand that I may be called a liar or an opportunist," she said. "But I will risk that in order to stand in solidarity with women who share similar accounts that span many, many years."

he Trump campaign in a statement Saturday afternoon denied Drake's claims. "This story is totally false and ridiculous," the statement said. "Mr. Trump does not know this person, does not remember this person and would have no interest in ever knowing her," it said.

Earlier Saturday, before Drake made her claims, Trump said at a rally that he plans to sue all of the women who had accused him of inappropriate sexual conduct.

"All of these liars will be sued after the election," he said. [You really want to be giving all those depositions under oath, Groper Don?]
Drake was joined by women's rights attorney Gloria Allred, a longtime Hillary Clinton supporter who has represented other women with sexual misconduct claims against Trump. Allred served as an elected delegate for Clinton during the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia in July.

Allred told told AM Joy on MSNBC that she has not been in contact with the Clinton campaign about these allegations.

Drake said she met Trump at a celebrity golf tournament, which she attended while working for Wicked Pictures, an adult film company. She said Trump flirted with her and asked her to walk along the golf course with him, where he asked for her phone number. He later called and invited her to his hotel room.

Not wanting to go alone, Drake said she brought two other women along. She said that Trump was in his pajamas, with a bodyguard present.

"He grabbed each of us tightly in a hug and kissed each one of us without asking permission," Drake said.

Drake said Trump then asked the women about the details of shooting adult films, and about their personal relationships. "It felt like an interview," she said.

After she returned to her room, Drake said she received a call from a man saying Trump wanted her to return to his room. She said she declined.

Drake said she then received a call from Trump himself, asking her to return to his suite and have dinner with him and to go to a party. Drake said she declined. Drake said Trump then asked: "What do you want? How much?"

Drake told Trump she had to return to Los Angeles for work, she said, adding that this was "an excuse because I didn't want him to continue asking me, and I didn't want to be with him."

Drake said she then received a third call, either from Trump or from another man calling on his behalf. She said the caller offered her $10,000 to return to Trump's room. She said she declined this offer, too.

Drake claimed she had told friends about the episode not long after, but declined to name them, "out of respect for them and their families."

Drake added that she's involved in sex education, in which she stresses the importance of consent in all sexual activity. She said her decision to come forward was prompted by the Access Hollywood tape released earlier this month in which Trump brags about kissing and grabbing women without their permission.

Earlier this week, Allred held a news conference with another woman who lobbed allegations against Trump. Karena Virginia, a yoga instructor and lifestyle coach, claimed Trump made inappropriate comments and touched her breast while she was waiting for a car service in New York in 1998.

"He said, 'Hey, look at this one, we haven't seen her before. Look at those legs.' As though I was an object, rather than a person," Virginia said Thursday. "He then walked up to me and reached his right arm and grabbed my right arm, then his hand touched the right inside of my breast. I was in shock. I flinched."

A string of accusers have spoken out against Trump, who has fervently denied the accusations, in some cases going so far as to joke that the women accusing him aren't attractive enough for his taste.

Allred slammed Trump earlier Saturday, and said his accusers had no ulterior motive other than getting the truth out.

"These women could have sold their story. They didn't do it. They didn't do it for money. They didn't do it for fame," Allred told MSNBC.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/11t ... or-n671171

Trump claims not to have known any of the women who have come forward, which is of course a lie, but it is true that he didn't know some of them...

This of course is not an argument that he couldn't have assaulted them, since he seems to have been in the habit of groping complete strangers, in the belief that all women want his attentions...

[Burning Petard]

As the legal department at the NY Times pointed out--just what is the Donald gonna sue them for or about? Have the statements by these women caused him any actual harm? Has his public reputation changed for the worse? What is the dollar value of that claimed damage?

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[RayThom]

By suing all of these lyin' Hillary helpers it will keep the Trump brand in the forefront long after he becomes a footnote in political history.

I hope it will become evident that Drumpf's ego driven, ill conceived run for POTUS is the start of the dissolution of the Trump dynasty and he will die a penniless recluse in a one room apartment owned by a ruthless slumlord.

What a looser!

[Crackpot]

One can dream I suppose.