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Re: Why aluminum stocks are always a good bet

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rubato wrote:The ignorance of the general public, and most of this board, about simple science is just astonishing.
rubato wrote:David Faraday ("the great experimentalist") showed that if you built a 'Faraday cage' it would effectively isolate electromagnetic events occurring within the cage from those without.*
Irony much?
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I mis-remembered his first name. But I recalled the science correctly which none of you could have done, can do even now, nor will ever be able to do. I also recalled the nickname given him; "the Great Experimentalist" and the fact that it was intended as a slight at that time; being a theoretician was considered a loftier calling than just doing experiments. The slight was misplaced because he discovered so many of the most important phenomenon in electromagnetism that history gives him one of the first places in the sciences.

You're really 'stupid on a stick' this week, girls. But it is your nature. Someone with a more interesting mind would be curious about the world and would consider it trivial to point out a minor error and pretend it meant something. Someone you will never be.


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... I went to the antenna engineers. One guy is even a Former Marine, so he was familiar with the predator drone capabilities; it was his opinion that foil would not block the chip well. He believed that at best the signal would be slightly scattered, but not eliminated. That would be enough to locate Bourne, to within visual range.
Anything implanted in the body would be very low power and the signal could be blocked although admittedly, not totally cancelled especially if he only wrapped the tin foil around the body part. Leakage will occur in any part not wrapped by the foil. Better to go into a "box container". ;)
To test that theory, as best I knew how- I tried to block my cellphone's reception with a 'space blanket' made of aluminum. It was completely covered on all sides, in two layers, and then I asked the Roomie's daughter to call me.

There was no delay...

~RING~
The blanket is probably not totally "connected", that is there are gaps from one conductor to another. The way to tell is to get a VOM and measure the resistance from one side of the blanket to the other three sides. Low ohms means it's connected, high ohms (or infinite ohms) means it will not make a good Faraday cage.

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rubato wrote:I mis-remembered his first name.
Funny how I can remember his name having learned about him over twenty years ago in school yet you, who claims to be a scientist, cannot remember the name of one of the most famous physicists in history.

Sorry Rooby Dooby, I'm not buying it.

Trevor Einstein and Ralph Newton don't believe you either... :lol:
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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oldr_n_wsr wrote:
... I went to the antenna engineers. One guy is even a Former Marine, so he was familiar with the predator drone capabilities; it was his opinion that foil would not block the chip well. He believed that at best the signal would be slightly scattered, but not eliminated. That would be enough to locate Bourne, to within visual range.
Anything implanted in the body would be very low power and the signal could be blocked although admittedly, not totally cancelled especially if he only wrapped the tin foil around the body part. Leakage will occur in any part not wrapped by the foil. Better to go into a "box container". ;)
To test that theory, as best I knew how- I tried to block my cellphone's reception with a 'space blanket' made of aluminum. It was completely covered on all sides, in two layers, and then I asked the Roomie's daughter to call me.

There was no delay...

~RING~
The blanket is probably not totally "connected", that is there are gaps from one conductor to another. The way to tell is to get a VOM and measure the resistance from one side of the blanket to the other three sides. Low ohms means it's connected, high ohms (or infinite ohms) means it will not make a good Faraday cage.

I thought that 'space blankets' were reflective mylar. A non-conductor. When then had Al vapor-deposited on it. While higher voltages might be conducted (briefly, until the substrate melted) I doubt if lower voltages would be conducted very well since the aluminum fractures when it is flexed. One of the problems in making flexible displays is that most of the materials used for conductive layers fracture like that.

And there are other issues. First Faraday cages are not equally effective against all frequencies adn second if the cellphone's antenna was in contact with the Al layer then it would just act like an antenna.

Ok, so I just did the experiment.

First, I wrapped my cellphone in a paper towel (insulator) and then wrapped it in Al foil and called the number from the landline.

<<nothing>>

Then I took the foil off and tried again.

<<Immediately it rang!>>

Proving that an al-foil Faraday* cage works perfectly!

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* no matter what his first name might have been.

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Sean wrote:
rubato wrote:I mis-remembered his first name.
Funny how I can remember his name having learned about him over twenty years ago in school yet you, who claims to be a scientist, cannot remember the name of one of the most famous physicists in history.

Sorry Rooby Dooby, I'm not buying it.

Trevor Einstein and Ralph Newton don't believe you either... :lol:
And yet I am the only one of us who can demonstrate knowledge of science.

The quality of your belief is uninteresting.

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And yet I am the only one of us who can demonstrate knowledge of science.
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I read Guin's post and recognized that it represented the (fictional) use of a Faraday cage.

The field = zero

I posted to a description on the chance that someone was interested in the phenomenon.

In my social group this would not be considered an unusual ability or an any way boastful.

But here in the land of mental 'Lilliput' its different! It's all hate all the time for LJ-Sean-Gob! They can take ANY subject ANY subject at all and turn it into a hate-fest. Don't you girls ever get bored with the same old taste of bile in your mouths all the time? You miss Quaddie don't you? He was really helpless and pathetic and much more fun to gang-on than I am!


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In my social group this would not be considered an unusual ability or an any way boastful.
In my social group rube, your "abilities" would be considered quite unusual, though certainly nothing to boast about....

In my entire adult life, I have never known anyone socially who is anywhere near as unintelligent or lacking in basic knowledge as yourself. (To say nothing of your lack of character) It would never happen, because I would never chose to socialize with such a person.

I suppose I've run across folks who are your equal in these respects occasionally; maybe someone running the cash register at Wendy's or sitting in the booth turning on the pumps at a Gas n' Go....(though frankly even those vocations seem to require a more demanding skill set then you've exhibited an ability to handle) but I've never really gotten to know anyone like you.

My friends are all accomplished professionals in a wide range of fields. A part time lab gofer who lives off his spouse would stick out like a sore thumb.
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rubato wrote: ......he discovered so many of the most important phenomenon in electromagnetism ....

Actualy 'phenomena' is the usual plural of phenomenon. 'Phenomenons' can sometimes be used as well in nonscientific writing when the meaning is "extraordinary things, occurrences, or persons".
rubato wrote: Someone with a more interesting mind would be curious about the world and would consider it trivial to point out a minor error and pretend it meant something
Oh yeah?

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I thought that 'space blankets' were reflective mylar. A non-conductor.
Could be as most "heat" in space is light (aka the sun or reflected sunlight). Only an efective mirror surface is needed to keep heat from building up.
When then had Al vapor-deposited on it. While higher voltages might be conducted (briefly, until the substrate melted) I doubt if lower voltages would be conducted very well since the aluminum fractures when it is flexed.
While electron flow will be hampered by in-congruities, heat flow, which is the main purpose of the blanket loCa is talking about, would work as each section can conduct heat away from a particular point and the person moving inside would make/break different sections of the blanket allowing heat to flow somewhat evenly overall. And aluminum is a great heat conductor.
One of the problems in making flexible displays is that most of the materials used for conductive layers fracture like that.
I remember a few years ago (maybe more) they were experimenting with "conductive ink" that was pretty flexible. I remember conductive gloves and the like were being experimented with it.

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Lord Jim wrote:
In my social group rube, your "abilities" would be considered quite unusual, though certainly nothing to boast about....

In my entire adult life, I have never known anyone socially who is anywhere near as unintelligent or lacking in basic knowledge as yourself. (To say nothing of your lack of character) It would never happen, because I would never chose to socialize with such a person.

I suppose I've run across folks who are your equal in these respects occasionally; maybe someone running the cash register at Wendy's or sitting in the booth turning on the pumps at a Gas n' Go....(though frankly even those vocations seem to require a higher skill set then you've exhibited) but I've never really gotten to know anyone like you.

My friends are all accomplished professionals in a wide range of fields. A part time lab gofer who lives off his spouse would stick out like a sore thumb.
I take it you've not been "serviced" by the DMV, IRS, or USPS> :lol:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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I take it you've not been "serviced" by the DMV, IRS, or USPS> :lol:
Well, I've (knock on wood) managed to avoid any unpleasant experiences with the IRS, but I certainly am quite familiar with the other two....

I thought about including the DMV as an example (the folks there certainly aren't sitting by their mail boxes waiting for their McArthur Award checks to show up) but then, we're talking about rubato....

And I wanted to be fair....

As much of a pain as those folks can be, in my experience they run laps around rube in terms of basic cognitive and communication skills....

Perhaps another one comparable to rube would be the off shore Level One Tech Support at AT&T Internet....(Especially the really slow ones you get on a Sunday, because they were too dumb to figure out how to avoid working on Sundays.. :D .)
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rubato wrote:

I thought that 'space blankets' were reflective mylar. A non-conductor. When then had Al vapor-deposited on it. .
Perhaps, this blanket says it is a Metallised Polyester, of which the metal is usually aluminum; Wiki;
Metallised films (or metallized films) are polymer films coated with a thin layer of metal, usually aluminium
...which could mean that is made with a percentage of Al lower than found in tinfoil?

When I can repeat the experiment with tinfoil (we're out at the moment) I will try again.

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No one tried the 'cover the cell-phone with aluminum foil' test? Other than Loca?

Not one experimentalist curious about how the world works here? Other than Loca?

On Loca's behalf I will say that her interest in the natural world seems very genuine and she seems curious about things.

You'd be more interesting people if you investigated something other than your need for hatred.

One reason for doing demonstrations in science classes and having a lab portion is that you learn much more vividly and the direct experience both reifies and gives you confidence that the world is knowable and that you can gradually be able to apply the principles you have learned in new situations to investigate new things.

Empiricism, baby.

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blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah.........golly I put Aluminum foil around my cell phone to see if it would inhibit rx/tx.....ain't I the boy scientist?......chriminey.....i did stuff like this when i was 11 years old with my walkie-talkies.

ROTFLMFAO! :lol:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Here is a quick sketch I made to simplify the discussion for those of you who aren't scientists...

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dales wrote:blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah.........golly I put Aluminum foil around my cell phone to see if it would inhibit rx/tx.....ain't I the boy scientist?......chriminey.....i did stuff like this when i was 11 years old with my walkie-talkies.

ROTFLMFAO! :lol:
Both adults and children can take pleasure in experiencing nature and can find delight in seeing something new. It is a simple experiment (which is a good thing, most people have the materials and skills to do it) and illustrates something that is not usually perceived. People who are capable of curiosity and take pleasure in learning something new might enjoy it.

But to you it is just another opportunity to express meanness.

I hope you understand why I do not value your opinion, either good or bad.

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Joe Guy wrote:Here is a quick sketch I made to simplify the discussion for those of you who aren't scientists...... "

Illiterates satirize those who read books. And it amuses other illiterates.

The innumerate satirize those who communicate with charts and graphs. And it amuses other innumerates.

People who are scientifically ignorant satirize science.

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People with a sense of humor often satirize people who are humor challenged.

The humor challenged are sometimes bitter & spiteful people.

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