The Countdown to the restart of the economy has begun.

[BoSoxGal]

BB you might have bothered to mention that the victim was also black.

Which essentially removes race as a motivating factor in the crime - and since plenty of white folks commit senseless brutal murders every year in this country, what exactly was your point?

[Scooter]

He's playing the "it's not racist of me to draw attention to race for no reason at all" card.

[Bicycle Bill]

BB you might have bothered to mention that the victim was also black.

Which essentially removes race as a motivating factor in the crime - and since plenty of white folks commit senseless brutal murders every year in this country, what exactly was your point?

#1 — I didn't find out the victim was black until after I had put up the post.  The original article I read merely mentioned his name; did not mention whether he was white or black; and did not show a picture.  And as long as you mentioned the victim, I found another story that reported the victim was shot in the back of the head.  Gonna be pretty tough for the shooter to claim anything like self-defense or being disrespected by 'the man' in a situation like that, ain't it?

Here's a picture of the victim, by the way:

Calvin Munerlyn, 43-year-old father of six

#2 — White guys with guns were screaming, shouting, and disrespecting people in the Michigan statehouse a few days ago, but no one got shot.  Someone 'disrespects' a black woman by insisting that she wear a mask in compliance with a state-wide order by the governor; she responds by yelling and spitting at him; he orders her to leave and tells a cashier not to serve her.  She leaves in her vehicle, and twenty minutes later two other black men return in the same vehicle, confront him, and kill him — BY SHOOTING HIM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD!

My point?  The senselessness of the whole incident, and how two black men basically inflicted the death penalty on another person for merely insisting that someone follow the rules.  If, as you said in response to another poster elsewhere on this forum, shooting a thief = the death penalty for a crime against property, then what's your view on this?  If things keep going on like this, we're going to regress back to calling someone out for a gunfight in the street at high noon and shootouts at the Dollar Tree Corral.

Just as an aside, earlier today I went into town to check my post office box, cash my paycheck, get some groceries, and pick up some equipment I had been needing from the hardware/home supply store (combining errands into a single trip).  They had a sign on the door that said "no one would be admitted unless they were wearing a mask or face covering".  Did I get up in someone's face about that, and scream and holler and carry on about how they were trampling on my rights?  No, I kept my gun in my pocket, walked over to the service counter, gave them the dollar they wanted for the paper mask, put it on, and went about my business.
(just kidding - I don't pack heat, although I do carry a pocketknife and have ever since I was in Boy Scouts; it's a tool, not a weapon, and putting it in my pocket is as much a part of getting dressed in the morning as putting on my glasses and making sure I've got my wallet)

note: edited to correct the picture of the victim.

-"BB"-

[Joe Guy]

I don't think that's Calvin in the above photo. The same person is one of the suspects and named Larry Teague Jr. in your other posts.

[MajGenl.Meade]

I believe this is the deceased gentleman.



What happened to him makes me weep

[Bicycle Bill]

I don't think that's Calvin in the above photo. The same person is one of the suspects and named Larry Teague Jr. in your other posts

You appear to be correct, and this is the same picture I used earlier.  I did a Google search for "Calvin Munerlyn"; unfortunately, the page showed several different pictures (including one of the female suspect; I suspect it's because it also appeared in an article where his name was mentioned ... Google may be your friend, but it is not infallible).   I've changed the image to the correct one after vetting it a little better than I did the first go-around.

Apologies all around.

-"BB"-

[Lord Jim]

Some more very fine people:

Park ranger was telling a crowd to social distance. Mid-speech, someone pushed him into a lake



(CNN)A man accused of shoving an Austin, Texas, park ranger into the water while the ranger was explaining to a crowd the need for social distancing is embarrassed by his actions, his lawyer said.

A video that gained attention after it was posted on social media includes the moment a young man pushes the ranger into a lake at Commons Ford Ranch Metro Park last Thursday afternoon.
Brandon Hicks, 25, faces a charge of attempted assault on a public servant, a state jail felony, said the Travis County Sheriff's Office.

According to an arrest affidavit, ranger Cassidy Stillwell was talking to a crowd of people, described as "unlawfully drinking and smoking," on a dock near Lake Austin. It's unclear from the affidavit whether Hicks was part of that group mentioned in the affidavit.

Amid the cross talk in the video, Stillwell is heard telling the crowd on the dock to "disperse yourselves" in the grassy area nearby because they were not maintaining physical distance of six feet. Some respond with "Will do" and "I got you, man."

The ranger's instructions are interrupted when the man pushes him into the shallow, murky water. The ranger holds on to the man's arm and pulls him in, the video shows. The man, clad in a swimsuit, scrambles out of the water and rushes away.
Attorney Mark Hull told CNN in a statement Monday he looks forward to telling Hicks' side of the story.

"He is embarrassed about his actions and has the utmost respect for law enforcement, particularly during these unprecedented times," Hull said.

An eyewitness who shot the video said that park visitors were closer to each other than they should have been.

"(The ranger) was just telling us to spread apart to keep our distance and honestly was being super reasonable and understanding," said the witness, who did not want to be named.

The officer who submitted the affidavit said the ranger could have struck his head on the dock as he was falling, "and render himself unconscious in at least 3 feet of water where he could have drowned to death."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/socia ... index.html

[Gob]

Not "drowned to life"?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Possibly, but only if he'd picked himself off the lake bed, rushed to the dock and then determinedly bashed his skull against the wooden pilings.

(And I bet the affidavit declared that "he could of struck his head")

[Darren]

They seem like Diamond & Silk-level trash, so wouldn't surprise me to learn they are Trump voters.

The doofus in the KKK hood is pure MAGAt.

Do you still think they voted for Trump, Scooter?

[Lord Jim]

New UW model shows COVID-19 nationwide death toll to reach 134,475 by early August

Experts at the University of Washington released a new hybrid model Monday projecting the nationwide death toll to reach 134,475 by Aug. 4.

The model was released by the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

“This new model is the basis for the sobering new estimate of US deaths,” said Dr. Christopher Murray, IHME Director. “The model will allow for regular updating as new data are released on cases, hospitalizations, deaths, testing, and mobility.

Scientists credited the surge in part to rising mobility in most U.S. states as well as the easing of social distancing measures expected in 31 states by May 11.

“In each state, the evolution of the epidemic depends on the balance between relaxed social distancing, increasing temperature, and rising rates of testing and contact tracing,” Murray said. “We expect that the epidemic in many states will now extend through the summer.”

In late April, the IHME projected the nationwide death told to peak at roughly 72,000 by early August.

Murray said the spike reflects the power of social distancing and the threat of infection is still present nationwide.

‘People should be aware that the risk of infection is still there,” Murray said in a Monday press conference. “Even in New York, 85 percent of the state is susceptible. In a place like Washington, 96-97 percent are susceptible. And so the risk of infection is there and people should take appropriate precautions.”

https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/n ... rly-august

The cost of reckless reopening...

[Darren]

Isn't that the model that's never been correct?

"About 4.5 million Italians are returning to work Monday as Italy — one of the countries hardest hit by COVID-19 — begins lifting some restrictions meant to stop the spread of the disease."

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... f-lockdown

[Lord Jim]

Isn't that the model that's never been correct?

Actually, it's the model that has been most favored for citing by Trump..

[MajGenl.Meade]

Actually, it's the model that has been most favored for citing by Trump

Then it must be wrong...

[Darren]

[MajGenl.Meade]

Call out the respirators
Because there's something in the air
If we get together sooner than later
We'll all be dying here, and you know that's right
And you know that it's right
We must not all get together
We must not all get together now
Lock up all our shops and houses
Because there's something in the air
etc. ad nauseam
(cont. p94)

[Lord Jim]

The reason the original UW estimates were too low (which suited Trump just fine) is because the model was based on the assumption that shelter-in-place orders and social distancing requirements would go into effect nationwide, and be scrupulously followed throughout t both April and May.

As we know, not only did this not happen, but egged on by the murderous Mad King, (Where's Jamie Lannister when we could really use him...) some states are now insanely attempting to reopen too soon which will inevitably lead to tens of thousands more deaths than would have occurred if they had followed prudent and rational policies.

[Scooter]

Early Herd Immunity against COVID-19: A Dangerous Misconception

We have listened with concern to voices erroneously suggesting that herd immunity may “soon slow the spread”1 of COVID-19. For example, Rush Limbaugh2 recently claimed that “herd immunity has occurred in California.” As infectious disease epidemiologists, we wish to state clearly that herd immunity against COVID-19 will not be achieved at a population level in 2020, barring a public health catastrophe.

Although more than 2.5 million confirmed cases of COVID-19 have been reported worldwide, studies suggest that (as of early April 2020) no more than 2-4%3–5 of any country’s population has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 (the coronavirus that causes COVID-19). Even in hotspots like New York City that have been hit hardest by the pandemic, initial studies suggest that perhaps 15-21%6,7 of people have been exposed so far. In getting to that level of exposure, more than 17,500 of the 8.4 million people in New York City (about 1 in every 500 New Yorkers) have died, with the overall death rate in the city suggesting deaths may be undercounted and mortality may be even higher.8

Some have entertained the idea of “controlled voluntary infection,”9 akin to the “chickenpox parties” of the 1980s. However, COVID-19 is 100 times more lethal than the chickenpox. For example, on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the mortality rate among those infected with SARS-CoV-2 was 1%. Someone who goes to a “coronavirus party” to get infected would not only be substantially increasing their own chance of dying in the next month, they would also be putting their families and friends at risk. COVID-19 is now the leading cause of death in the United States, killing almost 2,000 Americans every day.8 Chickenpox never killed more than 150 Americans in a year.9

To reach herd immunity for COVID-19, likely 70% or more of the population would need to be immune. Without a vaccine, over 200 million Americans would have to get infected before we reach this threshold. Put another way, even if the current pace of the COVID-19 pandemic continues in the United States – with over 25,000 confirmed cases a day – it will be well into 2021 before we reach herd immunity. If current daily death rates continue, over half a million Americans would be dead from COVID-19 by that time.

As we discuss when and how to phase in re-opening,10 it is important to understand how vulnerable we remain. Increased testing will help us better understand the scope of infection, but it is clear this pandemic is still only beginning to unfold.

[Darren]

We have listened with concern to voices erroneously suggesting that herd immunity may “soon slow the spread”1 of COVID-19. For example, Rush Limbaugh2 recently claimed that “herd immunity has occurred in California.” As infectious disease epidemiologists, we wish to state clearly that herd immunity against COVID-19 will not be achieved at a population level in 2020, barring a public health catastrophe.


As we discuss when and how to phase in re-opening,10 it is important to understand how vulnerable we remain. Increased testing will help us better understand the scope of infection, but it is clear this pandemic is still only beginning to unfold.

[/quote]

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Talk about bull shit. They missed the 30% to 50% found with antibodies during testing in Chicago. Scream and shout and run about if that makes you feel any better.

Why am I reminded of hiding under a school desk for protection against nuclear blast effects?

The good thing is states have already opened. No politician wants to be last if it's career ending.

If it's any comfort the friend who tested positive for it out here in the sticks already passed the coronavirus on to others. After at least a month and more likely closer to two months, the numbers infected must be huge by now. I need to thank him the next time for infecting me.

[Lord Jim]

Why am I reminded of hiding under a school desk for protection against nuclear blast effects?

Because you don't know WTF you're talking about?