Uncle Ben's Rice...

[MajGenl.Meade]

Yes, I agree. So, to the extent that the Bible neither encourages the use of this method, nor relates instances of people deliberately and successfully using this method, I would say that it is "not science." (Of course, it's possible to interpret the story of Adam and Eve and the Tree of Knowledge as the first use of the scientific method...but I suspect that that's not your interpretation of that story, nor the interpretation of very many other Christians.)

Oh I don't know... that same book opens with many statements that "God saw that it was good" before he moves on to the next creative step... reality/observation/adjustment. Why, it's the scientific method being created and demonstrated as an example to all! And hasn't it taken science a long, long time to come up with the amazing knowledge that all animals seem to share a common source when God's been saying that from the beginning?

And Jacob, was he not using the "scientific method" when he thought (incorrectly) that placing peeled willow wands into the animals' water troughs in some way caused them to become "hot" and breed? Evidently he thought it was the sight of the wands that caused the animals to have spotted or streaked hides. No knowledge of genetics yet. But that doesn't rule out a chemical effect from the wood and, after all, its the method (observation/action/results) that's important. Perhaps more significantly, he'd worked out something about genetics by separating the "striped/spotted" ones into a separate herd to prevent them from breeding with Laban's mono-colour sheep.

One could go on.

And one probably will.

In the meantime, what's the young Paul McCartney doing in that picture with Ben Carson?

[wesw]

actually, his bio is being confirmed, bit by bit, and the hit job from the right and the left continues.

I have seen no proven lies and I have seen two instances where he was accused openly of lying and the accusations have been shown to be false.

obviously jim and others don t think he is qualified to be president, but the character assassin s dishonesty in their reporting is something that should concern us all.

I don t understand why the blatant dishonesty of H Clinton and barak Obama doesn t bother their supporters or get much press

[MajGenl.Meade]

That's a valid objection, wesw. He's ridiculed for suggesting that had guns been common in post-WW1 Germany, then the Jews (and gypsies and homos and Christians and....) may not have been so easy to round up. That's the same observation that Jews made after the war - that the communists made in the inter-war period - that commentators have often repeated down the years since. Whether it is a practical notion is not relevant - what's relevant is that it's neither novel nor outrageous. There are many other similar instances.

The pyramid thing was just silly. I've not seen the clip (and probably should have) but was it in connection with an off the cuff remark about the Egyptians storing grain after Joseph interpreted Pharaoh's dream? If so, then the remark is understandable but any defense of it later (other than "it was just a random wrong thought") is not.

[rubato]

actually, his bio is being confirmed, bit by bit, and the hit job from the right and the left continues.

I have seen no proven lies and I have seen two instances where he was accused openly of lying and the accusations have been shown to be false.

obviously jim and others don t think he is qualified to be president, but the character assassin s dishonesty in their reporting is something that should concern us all.

I don t understand why the blatant dishonesty of H Clinton and barak Obama doesn t bother their supporters or get much press

Other than the lie about West Point, he admitted that one.

And the lie about trying to stab someone and breaking off the end of the knife against a belt buckle which was on a yielding surface, an abdomen. That's bullshit.

And the lie about how he didn't take money from that fraudulent neutraceutical company after they were fined.


The Left are not attacking Carson, they WANTED him to be the nominee because they were keeping all this in reserve to use then. Only the other Republicans have a motive to go after his credibility now.


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[wesw]

I saw the clip, general. he began the statement about the pyramids by saying, "i have a theory..."

and rube, he did not admit that the west point thing was a lie. Politico changed that, and was ridiculed for that, without actually retracting it officially.

the west point thing seems to have gotten the dates wrong. no big deal.

there is a Parade article 20yrs ago, where his mom talks about the stabbing thing.

....on another note, I was googling something I heard about Clinton on the news last night, and it was nowhere to be found on google, there were only stories about it from March......

wow.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Carson’s statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information. That meets our definition of Mostly True.

Correction: After this story was published, we found an additional instance of the words "full scholarship" on West Point’s website. The article has been updated to reflect that. The ruling remains Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... hip-story/

A nifty catch by BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski. And yes, it still feels weird days later that Carson and his defenders like me are eager to prove that he really did assault someone with a knife as a child rather than that he didn’t. He may have had a murderous temper, but darn it, the man’s not a liar.

He tried to gut a guy according to his own mother. Take that, media....Having built a new narrative that Carson’s a serial liar about his past, the media’s not going to discard it just because one or two bits of evidence don’t check out...Don’t forget his answer about Mannatech at the debate either, claiming to have had no involvement with the company even though he appeared in videos they produced and praised them. (“The wonderful thing about a company like Mannatech is that they recognize that when God made us, He gave us the right fuel.”).

I think the two botched hits on him over the stabbing and West Point are going to deafen voters’ ears to other allegations, though, especially with Carson shrewdly attacking the media this week as being out to get him because they’re “secular progressives” and feel threatened by him

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/09/b ... was-a-kid/

[BoSoxGal]

Lies or no lies (and there were DEFINITELY lies), he'd be a far worse president than Trump, I have no doubt whatsoever.

[Sue U]

That's a valid objection, wesw. He's ridiculed for suggesting that had guns been common in post-WW1 Germany, then the Jews (and gypsies and homos and Christians and....) may not have been so easy to round up. That's the same observation that Jews made after the war - that the communists made in the inter-war period - that commentators have often repeated down the years since.

The above is absolute horseshit. Only about 2% of the Jews murdered by the Nazis were from Germany. Of the other 5.86 million killed in the Holocaust, 3 million were from Poland, 1.1 million from the Soviet Union, more than 550,000 from Hungary, and more than 275,000 from Romania. It is pure fantasy to believe that civilians with guns -- either inside or outside Germany -- were going to stop the Wehrmacht and the SS.

[MajGenl.Meade]

OFFS, "stopping the Wehrmacht and the SS". Don't put those words in my mouth... er... paragraph

[wesw]

yeah..., a bunch of farmers will never defeat the british army....,

a bunch of guys in black pj s will never defeat America in viet nam...

need I go on?

some of us would rather die fighting than be subjugated. go dis arm some bad guys.

the spirit of Masada

[wesw]

a bunch of illiterate mountain tribesmen, half stoned on poppy milk and weed will never defeat the soviet empire....

a bunch of germanic barbarians will never march into the heart of the western roman empire and defeat rome.....

live free or die

[wesw]

long live the bill of rights!!!!!

god save the queen!!!!

throw off the shackles of your mis-education!!!!

free speech for everyone!!!!!

[Joe Guy]

The idea of the pyramids being used to store food is ingrained in Ben Carson's head.

[rubato]

That's a valid objection, wesw. He's ridiculed for suggesting that had guns been common in post-WW1 Germany, then the Jews (and gypsies and homos and Christians and....) may not have been so easy to round up. That's the same observation that Jews made after the war - that the communists made in the inter-war period - that commentators have often repeated down the years since.

The above is absolute horseshit. Only about 2% of the Jews murdered by the Nazis were from Germany. Of the other 5.86 million killed in the Holocaust, 3 million were from Poland, 1.1 million from the Soviet Union, more than 550,000 from Hungary, and more than 275,000 from Romania. It is pure fantasy to believe that civilians with guns -- either inside or outside Germany -- were going to stop the Wehrmacht and the SS.

I agree, it is beyond idiocy to say that a few guns owned by private citizens were going to protect the Jews of Poland, Czech and elsewhere when the professional armies of both countries + Belgium + France + Nederlands+ Norway + Ukraine &c could not stop the Wehrmact.


Beyond stupid. No one who makes that argument is even slightly acquainted with any of the facts. Pure superstition.


The only Jews who survived in large numbers were in Denmark and Bulgaria. And they lived because their neighbors cared for them and saved them. And were less affected by Catholic Anti-semitism.


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[Joe Guy]

How does this - "had guns been common in post-WW1 Germany, then the Jews (and gypsies and homos and Christians and....) may not have been so easy to round up."

Translate to this? - ".....it is beyond idiocy to say that a few guns owned by private citizens were going to protect the Jews of Poland"

[dales]

Yeah and Hitler was a Catholic, right rube?

LMAO!

[rubato]

Yeah and Hitler was a Catholic, right rube?

LMAO!

Hitler exploited the anti-semitism which the Catholic church had spread and amplified for 1,000 years. he took the bigotry which was already there and made use of it.

All of the crusades began with the extermination of Jews in a European city.

Only an idiot does not know that.

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[rubato]

How does this - "had guns been common in post-WW1 Germany, then the Jews (and gypsies and homos and Christians and....) may not have been so easy to round up."

Translate to this? - ".....it is beyond idiocy to say that a few guns owned by private citizens were going to protect the Jews of Poland"

Quite directly.


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[Econoline]

What could have protected the Jews of Europe (but didn't) is what did protect the Jews of Denmark: the overwhelming support of their fellow citizens. However, the citizens of the nations where the most Jews perished were overwhelmingly anti-Semitic, and cooperated (or at least didn't interfere) with the Nazis in their plans for the Final Solution. As editec once remarked over on the old CSB, guns don't protect your rights, your fellow citizens protect your rights.

And yes, if the USSR and the mighty Red Army with all its tanks, artillery, bombs, etc. couldn't prevent the loss of the lives of 24 million Soviet citizens, I doubt if a few Jews with handguns could've done much better.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Is there some part of dealing with political movements in the Weimar republic that some people here do not understand? Why does the discussion turn to defeating the Wehrmacht post 1939?

Idiots