I love that! My friends of Mexican heritage in southern Arizona always liked to refer to the way most of them, via their grandparents, became American: "I didn't cross the border, the border crossed me."“My father would be saying I didn’t leave the GOP the GOP left me,” he tweeted in response to another critical comment.
How I'm Going To Bring Myself To Vote For Hillary Clinton...
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
~ Carl Sagan
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That was the same argument some DINOs made in '72...I didn’t leave the GOP the GOP left me,”
"I didn't leave the Democratic Party...The Democratic Party left me..."




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I would remember that reference . . . if I was ANCIENT!

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
~ Carl Sagan
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
~ Carl Sagan
Re: How I'm Going To Bring Myself To Vote For Hillary Clinto
Nixon Now!
(you have to admit it's a toe tapper...even with the bizarre butterfly beginning...I think The Committee To Re-Elect The President was trying to appeal to the Flower Children...
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(you have to admit it's a toe tapper...even with the bizarre butterfly beginning...I think The Committee To Re-Elect The President was trying to appeal to the Flower Children...
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People who are wrong are just as sure they're right as people who are right. The only difference is, they're wrong.
— God @The Tweet of God
— God @The Tweet of God
Re: How I'm Going To Bring Myself To Vote For Hillary Clinto
Well, now there's a bumper sticker I could put on my car....Econoline wrote:
ETA:
Vote For Hillary! She may be an arrogant, lying, cynical, pocket liner...
But at least she isn't as crazy as a shithouse rat!



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This is where we've come to in our noble "experiment in democracy" from 1789 to The Year Of Our Lord Two Thousand and Sixteen...
From The Federalist Papers to The Art Of The Deal...
Not exactly oaring in the right direction from an intellectual-evolution point of view....
I disagree with those (like Sue) who seem to think that our system suffers from a paucity of influence from radical ideas, and that embracing those ideas would somehow right the ship...
I think the exact opposite is our problem....
The center is not holding...
What this country needs right now more than anything else isn't an influx of notions about "alternative systems of social, political and economic organization" ...
That's pretty much the last thing we need...
What this country needs more than anything else is a return to "the sensible center"....
We need to get out of our respective ideological corners, and understand that "compromise" rather than being a dirty word or a repulsive concept, is in fact the fundamental foundation upon which our Republic is based...
Anyone who runs for any office on the platform, "elect me and I won't compromise" should be hooted down, scorned, ridiculed, and driven out of the race, left or right... They should receive no more serious consideration than someone running on the "The Moon Landing Never Happened" platform...
And we also need to once again embrace a proper understanding of what "compromise" means...
In recent years over and over again I have heard from Obama and Republican leaders in Congress, (who like John Boehner certainly knew better) define "compromise" as "doing those things we can all agree on"....

Compromise is NOT about doing those things "we can all agree on"...
It's about reaching arrangements and decisions on things we don't all agree on...
It's about "I give you something that I think is a bad idea, in exchange for you giving me something that you think is a bad idea"...
And as Don Barzini said, "there will be the peace"...
And the process works best when both sides believe they are getting more "good" than the "bad" they are accepting in exchange...
This is not a particularly complicated concept, and it certainly isn't a novel idea...
It's how our government functioned for many many years...
And we need to get back to that, to make our government even minimally functional again...
From The Federalist Papers to The Art Of The Deal...
Not exactly oaring in the right direction from an intellectual-evolution point of view....
I disagree with those (like Sue) who seem to think that our system suffers from a paucity of influence from radical ideas, and that embracing those ideas would somehow right the ship...
I think the exact opposite is our problem....
The center is not holding...
What this country needs right now more than anything else isn't an influx of notions about "alternative systems of social, political and economic organization" ...
That's pretty much the last thing we need...
What this country needs more than anything else is a return to "the sensible center"....
We need to get out of our respective ideological corners, and understand that "compromise" rather than being a dirty word or a repulsive concept, is in fact the fundamental foundation upon which our Republic is based...
Anyone who runs for any office on the platform, "elect me and I won't compromise" should be hooted down, scorned, ridiculed, and driven out of the race, left or right... They should receive no more serious consideration than someone running on the "The Moon Landing Never Happened" platform...
And we also need to once again embrace a proper understanding of what "compromise" means...
In recent years over and over again I have heard from Obama and Republican leaders in Congress, (who like John Boehner certainly knew better) define "compromise" as "doing those things we can all agree on"....

Compromise is NOT about doing those things "we can all agree on"...
It's about reaching arrangements and decisions on things we don't all agree on...
It's about "I give you something that I think is a bad idea, in exchange for you giving me something that you think is a bad idea"...
And as Don Barzini said, "there will be the peace"...
And the process works best when both sides believe they are getting more "good" than the "bad" they are accepting in exchange...
This is not a particularly complicated concept, and it certainly isn't a novel idea...
It's how our government functioned for many many years...
And we need to get back to that, to make our government even minimally functional again...
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I agree with much of the above. The inability (and mostly unwillingness) to find compromise solutions, where everyone gives a little, has eviscerated the democratic process. Checks and balances, people, checks and balances.
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
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Well, if you won't slap a Hillary bumper sticker on your car, you might want to at least consider this one...
(Click on the above image for links to where you can get this and other TRUCK FUMP merchandise.)
People who are wrong are just as sure they're right as people who are right. The only difference is, they're wrong.
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This election cycle has already become way too scary for me. Today on the NPR news program, 'All Things Considered' David Brooks of the NY Times and EJ Dioone of the Wash Post talk about the election this week. They end their discussion with comments about GOP leaders supporting Trump, particularly Paul Ryan.
Brooks gets almost the last word, "It is a McCarthy moment. A Bonhoeffer moment. Dietrich Bonhoeffer courage is required."
WAIT JUST A MINUTE ! ! !
Is Brooks saying Ryan should be participating with other GOP leaders to form a conspiracy to kill Trump? That is what Bonhoeffer did for Hitler.
snailgate.
Brooks gets almost the last word, "It is a McCarthy moment. A Bonhoeffer moment. Dietrich Bonhoeffer courage is required."
WAIT JUST A MINUTE ! ! !
Is Brooks saying Ryan should be participating with other GOP leaders to form a conspiracy to kill Trump? That is what Bonhoeffer did for Hitler.
snailgate.
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Re: How I'm Going To Bring Myself To Vote For Hillary Clinto
You could try something like this, LJ....

"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi, you're my only hope."

-"BB"-

"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi, you're my only hope."
-"BB"-
Yes, I suppose I could agree with you ... but then we'd both be wrong, wouldn't we?
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As I said before:

Let's bring back the back-door-deals and smoke filled rooms...This country had a better quality of governance when a handful of GOP and Demo congressional leaders would get together in a backroom at Duke Zeibert's and work out a deal on the back of a cocktail napkin then we get with all the self-righteous posturing and chest thumping today...
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Amazing how much better Obama looks every time the GOP 'leadership' appears on camera.
And his approval numbers show it.
yrs,
rubato
And his approval numbers show it.
yrs,
rubato
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Obama's approval numbers have been good because he hasn't recently been the target of attacks...
If we'd had a sane, normal GOP nominee, all of last week would have been about last month's horrendous job creation figures...
Not about whether a judge of Mexican heritage could do his job...
But the GOP Nominee Presumptive has been so busy dealing with his rice-paper thin skin, attacking a federal judge, and "Pocahontas" that to the best of my knowledge he hasn't made time to say one word about the awful job numbers...
Even though he claims he's going to be the President who will "bring back jobs"...
If we'd had a sane, normal GOP nominee, all of last week would have been about last month's horrendous job creation figures...
Not about whether a judge of Mexican heritage could do his job...
But the GOP Nominee Presumptive has been so busy dealing with his rice-paper thin skin, attacking a federal judge, and "Pocahontas" that to the best of my knowledge he hasn't made time to say one word about the awful job numbers...
Even though he claims he's going to be the President who will "bring back jobs"...



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Obama's approval number are good because you look like shit.
yrs,
rubato
yrs,
rubato
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Well, that's certainly a clever, insightful, and well thought-out response...rubato wrote:Obama's approval number are good because you look like shit.
yrs,
rubato



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Proof that it's 5 o'clock somewhere....


