With you there.Sue U wrote:I want to see every one of the fuckers responsible for the border detention policy -- from Trump all the way down to the guards -- tried for crimes against humanity. It is literally the least we can do to salvage some shred of national decency from this whole grotesque affair.
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For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
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Lord Jim wrote:At this point, I'm in agreement with you...Sue U wrote:I want to see every one of the fuckers responsible for the border detention policy -- from Trump all the way down to the guards -- tried for crimes against humanity. It is literally the least we can do to salvage some shred of national decency from this whole grotesque affair.![]()
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Gee Gen'l, I guess that makes you and me just a couple of bleeding heart liberals...MajGenl.Meade wrote:With you there.Sue U wrote:I want to see every one of the fuckers responsible for the border detention policy -- from Trump all the way down to the guards -- tried for crimes against humanity. It is literally the least we can do to salvage some shred of national decency from this whole grotesque affair.
(Or it would, if a sense of basic human decency was a trait exclusive to liberals...)



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Well in fairness, observation of American politics at present seems to suggest it is.
Sadly.
Sadly.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
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Ditto. We managed to do it across pretty much the entire goddamned country with the polio vaccine in the 1950s and 1960s.Lord Jim wrote:Good God, friggin' Walgreens can manage it...."the complexities of operating vaccination programmes"![]()
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Too bad Trump hasn't formally declared war on these immigrants. At least then we could look forward to the day when he and anyone else complicit in this bullshit would be tried for war crimes.

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Yes, I suppose I could agree with you ... but then we'd both be wrong, wouldn't we?
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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administ ... ip-1456684Trump Administration Says Children of U.S. Troops Born Overseas Won't Get Automatic Citizenship
The Trump administration this week said that the children of U.S. troops and government employees born overseas will no longer be granted automatic citizenship.
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) on Wednesday issued a policy alert revoking a previous guidance that considers the children of service members and government officials born overseas as "residing in the United States." Under the former policy, the children would be granted automatic citizenship under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).
"Effective October 29, 2019, children residing abroad with their U.S. citizen parents who are U.S. government employees or members of the U.S. armed forces stationed abroad are not considered to be residing in the United States for acquisition of citizenship," the new policy states, adding that "parents who are residing outside the United States with children who are not U.S. citizens should apply for U.S. citizenship on behalf of their children."
"Leave taken in the United States while stationed abroad is not considered residing in the United States even if the person is staying in property he or she owns," the policy clarified.
The guideline also states that parents must complete the application process before their child's 18th birthday. It does not apply to children who have been granted citizenship in the U.S. at birth.
The policy appears to be targeting those seeking citizenship through the so-called derivation process. Previously, children who lived in a home overseas with their U.S. citizen parents fulfilled a residency requirement to derive citizenship. However, that residence must now be in the United States.
In a statement to The Hill, a Pentagon spokesperson predicted that the new policy will have a "small" impact.[Then why do it?]
"DoD has been working closely with our colleagues as DHS/USCIS regarding recent policy changes and understands the estimated impact of this particular change is small," Lt. Col. Carla Gleason said. "However, we are committed to ensuring affected families are provided the appropriate information, resources, and support during this transition."



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Aside from the obscenity of targeting the children of U.S. military and other government personnel in this manner, taking this action over what they admit is an insignificant number can actually have a devastating impact on the individuals affected. Even in countries in which, like the U.S., all persons born there are automatically citizens, an exception exists for children born of those stationed there as employees of foreign governments (military personnel, diplomats, etc.). Refusing U.S. citizenship to those children will render them stateless, something that is supposed to be avoided. Yet another minefield that this bumbling administration has thrown itself into because psychos like Stephen Miller are directing immigration policy.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
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Trump has, once again, proven himself to be a complete asshhole who has no idea what he is doing, or what the consequences will be. It serves absolutely no purpose to amend the law in this way, and can result in serious probelms for the affected children. But the guy has to bluster on, consequences be dammed to appear to his base that he is doing something.
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He's still fighting John McCain. (Born in Panama to military parents.) Maybe someone should tell him.
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Good point Andy.
In the little mind of Trump, payback against McCain (real or imagined) is well worth the problems this will cause and the people it will hurt.
In the little mind of Trump, payback against McCain (real or imagined) is well worth the problems this will cause and the people it will hurt.
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And once again, from the Republicans on The Hill, nothing but shameful silence...
You would think this would be the sort of thing that would be offensive to supposed pro-military hawks...
You would think this would be the sort of thing that would be offensive to supposed pro-military hawks...




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Way to "Support the Troops" there, Trump & Co! Just goes to show that all their supposed "support" is phony flag-waving faked for a purely political show of "patriotism." I hope Americans will remember how shameless this Adminisitration and its enablers have been in using the military as political props for partisan pandering, making their real message "fuck the troops."Lord Jim wrote:And once again, from the Republicans on The Hill, nothing but shameful silence...
You would think this would be the sort of thing that would be offensive to supposed pro-military hawks...
GAH!
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Snidely Trumplash strikes again:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new ... n-n1047901

More:Trump administration seeks to deport children with life-threatening illnesses
Each year, the U.S. gets about 1,000 applications from immigrant families in the U.S. seeking permission to stay in the country and not face deportation so family members can continue lifesaving medical care that is not available in their home countries.
But the Trump administration recently told families who were granted permission to stay for medical care that their permission to stay has been rescinded and they have 33 days to leave the country. The policy, which was not publicly announced, is being applied retroactively to any requests filed on or before Aug. 7. [Gee, deporting 1000 sick kids is really going to do wonders to protect us from all the gang members and drug importers supposedly flooding the country...]
In a conference call Thursday with reporters, advocates and Democrats expressed outrage over the rule.
“This is a new low even for Donald Trump,” Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., said in a conference call with reporters Thursday.[Just wait a little while Ed; he'll figure out a way to go even lower...]
“This administration is now deporting kids with cancer. Perhaps that is why it was too ashamed to announce this policy change publicly," said Markey, who has been trying to draw national attention to the issue since it was first reported in Boston by WBUR-FM, a public radio station.
The Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to a request for comment from NBC News. In a previous statement, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has said that it was no longer considering nonmilitary requests for deferred action "to focus agency resources on faithfully administering our nation’s lawful immigration system."
The change was not made public and members of the public were not given a chance to provide comment before it went into effect. Families simply received letters telling them they had 33 days to leave.
“They are telling these people they need to leave on their own,” Anthony Marino, director of immigration legal services,said on MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” about the families with seriously ill relatives now facing deportation.
“I don’t know how they expect parents to pull their children from hospital beds, disconnect them from lifesaving treatments and go some place where they are know they are going to die," said Marino. "But that is what they are telling them to do.”![]()
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That's exactly what I thought.Gee, deporting 1000 sick kids is really going to do wonders to protect us from all the gang members and drug importers supposedly flooding the country...
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Die, Trump. Slowly, excruciatingly painfully. Sooner than later.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
~ Carl Sagan