Slow Joe is a no go?

[Darren]

There are vice presidential hopefuls who grin and say it’s an honor to be considered. They insist that they really aren’t focused on the ticket at all. They shrug off chances to brag about their credentials.

Then you have Stacey Abrams.

She told Elle magazine that she would be an “excellent running mate” with an ability to motivate oft-ignored voters. Abrams has confidently promoted her résumé, declaring on “The View” that “sometimes the work needs a hype man.” And she has cast her near miss campaign for governor of Georgia as a blueprint for future Democratic success.

“Tradition does not serve those who have been marginalized or disadvantaged. And therefore my response has to meet the moment, ...” she said. Abrams, 46, who has never held an elected position higher than state legislator, is widely seen even by some of her own supporters as an improbable selection, ...

Abrams’s unusually high-profile efforts to get the nod — bolstered by rock-star Democratic credentials earned as a voting-rights activist and an almost-successful bid to become the country’s first black female governor — make it likely there will be some disappointment no matter what direction Biden goes, according to his allies and other Democrats. Abrams has propelled herself into the running mate conversation through sheer force of will and her supporters’ enthusiasm. Her omnipresence has increased pressure on Biden to select a black woman, even if it isn’t her — a demand some Biden allies don’t feel is helpful. And if Biden does not select Abrams, he will disappoint some activists excited about the possibility of a young, energetic African American woman joining the ticket.

“It has created a no-win situation for this choice,” said Avis Jones-DeWeever, a political scientist and advocate for black women in politics, who hopes Harris gets the nod.

[Econoline]

Darren really should've mentioned where he got that from:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/stacey-abramss-public-push-for-veep-slot-complicates-bidens-search/2020/05/15/aeda76e0-950c-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

[Crackpot]

Hidden behind paywall.

[Darren]

Darren really should've mentioned where he got that from:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/stacey-abramss-public-push-for-veep-slot-complicates-bidens-search/2020/05/15/aeda76e0-950c-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

Did I quote another conservative source? How dare I! That must be bogus!

[RayThom]

Darren really should've mentioned where he got that from...

What? Did Darren forget to cite his source... again?

[Darren]

Zogby

"On the national front, presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden received a 52% favorable/40% unfavorable rating. What's worrisome for Biden is he did not receive a majority favorable rating from younger voters aged 18-29 (45% favorable/47% unfavorable), white voters (48% favorable/45% unfavorable), suburban voters (48% favorable/45% unfavorable) and suburban women (49% favorable/42% unfavorable)."

[Darren]

I'm curious how her fellow Michiganders view her. I doubt anyone is undecided about their feelings.

"Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer tells TODAY’s Craig Melvin she had an “opening conversation” regarding Joe Biden’s search for a running mate, but at this time she is directing her energy toward helping her state get through the coronavirus crisis.May 19, 2020"

[RayThom]

I'm curious how her fellow Michiganders view her. I doubt anyone is undecided about their feelings.

"Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer tells TODAY’s Craig Melvin she had an “opening conversation” regarding Joe Biden’s search for a running mate, but at this time she is directing her energy toward helping her state get through the coronavirus crisis.May 19, 2020"

Michigan Democrats are happy with her.

I don't know too much about Whitmer but if Papa Joe chooses her as his running mate I will vote for them.

Four years as a VP will shape her White House skills. When she becomes the nominee for POTUS in 2024 I'll vote for her then, too.

[BoSoxGal]

I’d prefer he choose a woman of color - there are plenty qualified and even from swing/southern states, no reason not to. I think the Democratic Party owes women of color - particularly black women.

[Darren]

"MINSK, Belarus (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Wednesday that prosecutors have opened a criminal inquiry into leaked tapes that allegedly feature the country's former leader discussing conditions for a $1 billion loan with former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden.

The tapes, which are yet to be authenticated, were released on Tuesday by Ukrainian lawmaker Andrii Derkach, who long has aired unsubstantiated corruption accusations against Biden and his son, who used to serve on the board of Ukrainian gas company Burisma.

The recordings don't appear to contain anything that would incriminate Biden or his son and were seen by some observers as a political effort to help U.S. President Donald Trump's reelection bid.

The Ukrainian investigation was opened on treason and abuse of office charges, indicating it was mostly directed against former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko. Poroshenko rejected the tapes as a fabrication by pro-Russian forces in Ukraine.

There was no immediate sign that the probe could be directed against Biden."

[Darren]

Did Joe Biden say black people aren’t really black if they don’t vote for him?

Let me know when the blow back from Blacks shows up on the alphabet networks.

[Scooter]

Stupid comment, and people were all over his ass for it.

What he did, almost immediately, was admit that it was a stupid thing to say and apologize for it. Which, of course, Trump would have never done. Instead, he would have had his surrogates go on Fox News to defend why he was right to say it, and to attack anyone who criticized him as being "not really black" because they probably has some white slaveholder blood somewhere in their ancestry.

[liberty]

Did Joe Biden say black people aren’t really black if they don’t vote for him?

Let me know when the blow back from Blacks shows up on the alphabet networks.

Biden has a machine that turns black people white. You can't say he didn't give fair warning.

[Scooter]

Your mother had a uterus that turned out imbeciles.

[Darren]

Did Joe Biden say black people aren’t really black if they don’t vote for him?

Let me know when the blow back from Blacks shows up on the alphabet networks.

Biden has a machine that turns black people white. You can't say he didn't give fair warning.

He won't improve between now and the election.

[Econoline]

Neither will Trump.

[RayThom]

Did Joe Biden say black people aren’t really black if they don’t vote for him?

Let me know when the blow back from Blacks shows up on the alphabet networks.

Yes, he did, Darren. He was sloppy with his words.

Context is everything.

Listen to the complete interview.

I'm STILL voting for Papa Joe.

[Darren]

"Black Americans are in an abusive relationship with the Democratic party

I am very tired of Joe Biden. My vote for him was already hanging by a thread before his disastrous interview with Charlamagne tha God on Friday. Interrupting the Breakfast Club host’s explanation that black people needed assurances that our communities will benefit from his presidency, Biden asserted: “If you’ve got a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or for Trump, then you ain’t black.”

Again, I am very tired of Joe Biden. Not because I am a purist, or have inflexible ideological commitments of what it will take to remove Donald Trump from office. But rather because Biden’s condescension towards black communities is intolerable.
...
“They know where my heart is,” Biden has said, of black voters.

But do we?

Senator Kamala Harris was severely scrutinized for her treatment of poor black women as a prosecutor – yet Biden’s criminal justice record makes Harris look like Thurgood Marshall.

Biden authored and successfully passed the $30bn 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. Besides putting 100,000 additional police officers in the streets, the crime bill distributed funding for new prison construction, encouraged prosecutors to charge children as adults, and even added the death penalty for 28 new areas, including drug-related offenses. Pushing for further criminalization, then senator Biden argued that George HW Bush’s crime plan did not go far enough because it did not “include enough police officers to catch the violent thugs, not enough prosecutors to convict them, not enough judges to sentence them, and not enough prison cells to put them away for a long time”. An older black generation fought through Jim Crow only for Biden to help make sure that their children and grandchildren lived through a new Jim Crow."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... lationship

[RayThom]

"Black Americans are in an abusive relationship with the Democratic party
I am very tired of Joe Biden. My vote for him was already hanging by a thread before his disastrous interview with Charlamagne tha God on Friday. Interrupting the Breakfast Club host’s explanation that black people needed assurances that our communities will benefit from his presidency, Biden asserted: “If you’ve got a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or for Trump, then you ain’t black.”Again, I am very tired of Joe Biden. Not because I am a purist, or have inflexible ideological commitments of what it will take to remove Donald Trump from office. But rather because Biden’s condescension towards black communities is intolerable....“They know where my heart is,” Biden has said, of black voters.But do we?Senator Kamala Harris was severely scrutinized for her treatment of poor black women as a prosecutor – yet Biden’s criminal justice record makes Harris look like Thurgood Marshall.
Biden authored and successfully passed the $30bn 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. Besides putting 100,000 additional police officers in the streets, the crime bill distributed funding for new prison construction, encouraged prosecutors to charge children as adults, and even added the death penalty for 28 new areas, including drug-related offenses. Pushing for further criminalization, then senator Biden argued that George HW Bush’s crime plan did not go far enough because it did not “include enough police officers to catch the violent thugs, not enough prosecutors to convict them, not enough judges to sentence them, and not enough prison cells to put them away for a long time”. An older black generation fought through Jim Crow only for Biden to help make sure that their children and grandchildren lived through a new Jim Crow."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... lationship

Darren, on November 3rd Biden will still do well with Black voters, and the Brown ones, too.

[Econoline]

There's a difference between saying something stupid and then apologizing and saying something stupid and then doubling down, quadrupling down, and spinning off into the psychotosphere.