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liberty wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:52 pm
Well then perhaps what this country needs is a huge militia and the governors do not have to turn over control of their National Guards to the federal government. The President and the federal government do not and should not have total control of all military force in the country . . . Face it Meade you are an imperialist.
OK, so now in violation of the Constitution (you know, that papery thing the Founders created) you want the individual state governors and their "militia" and National Guard . . . (find the word "National" and explain using both sides of the paper) . . . you want the governor of Ohio (for example) to remove the President of the U.S.A. because the governor of Ohio doesn't agree with him on some issue(s)? That's your idea of a Republic?

How did that work out in 1860-65 after South Carolina didn't feel that A Lincoln was a suitable President?

You sir, are an anti-Constitution revolutionary.
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Apparently it’s okay for Trump to profit off political violence.

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lib sounds an awful lot like a ten-year-old kid who thinks it's still cool to run around the neighborhood, like my friends and I used to do back in the early 1960s, with our toy tommy guns and plastic army guy helmets and play like we were in the old "Combat!" TV show or some of the other old war movies we might have seen, or all hyped up on Marvel Comics' "Sgt. Fury" and that ilk.   It's just that now that he's all grown up (?) he and his buddies want to play with REAL guns and bullets.
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BoSoxGal wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:26 pm
Apparently it’s okay for Trump to profit off political violence.

https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-is-no ... n-sneakers - a random 10 pairs signed by Trump himself! $299

OK? It's not illegal, but it is, at the very least, in bad taste. But this is Trump, so I am hardly surprised. If he had his appendix out I'd bet he'd sell pieces for relics.

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Bicycle Bill wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:03 pm
lib sounds an awful lot like a ten-year-old kid who thinks it's still cool to run around the neighborhood, like my friends and I used to do back in the early 1960s, with our toy tommy guns and plastic army guy helmets and play like we were in the old "Combat!" TV show or some of the other old war movies we might have seen, or all hyped up on Marvel Comics' "Sgt. Fury" and that ilk.   It's just that now that he's all grown up (?) he and his buddies want to play with REAL guns and bullets.
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If you're implying that I see myself as some type of Rambo you're full of shit. When I decided to actively join the Cold War and fight against the Soviets directly, I was scared; I knew I could die, and I also knew that if we lost the Cold War and if the Soviet controlled the United States, I could spend the rest of my life in a slave labor camp. Even at that age I knew what kind of bastards they were.

To appease my terror-stricken mother, I agreed to join the Air Force but to make myself feel more honorable I left my choice of a career field up to my recruiter. I expected to be in security police or some other Air Force combat unit; however, my aptitude test showed strong abilities in electrical and mechanical skills. So, I ended up in AC and W that's Aircraft Control and Warning radar that the kind of stuff they use on the DEW line it wasn't combat but it's a job that no one else wanted.
I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.

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fight against the Soviets directly
When did we do that? We did fight some regimes funded by them, often using regimes funded by us to do the fighting, but except for a few skirmishes (the Cuban Missile Crisis being one of the biggest), I can't recall when we fought them directly. But I can recall when we fought together on the same side in WW2.

Indeed, I always thought the cold war relied on proxy battles and MAD to avoid direct confrontation.

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fight against the Soviets directly
When did we do that? We did fight some regimes funded by them, often using regimes funded by us to do the fighting, but except for a few skirmishes (the Cuban Missile Crisis being one of the biggest), I can't recall when we fought them directly. But I can recall when we fought together on the same side in WW2.

Indeed, I always thought the cold war relied on proxy battles and MAD to avoid direct confrontation.
As I see it to fight their proxies was to fight them as we are now fighting the Russians now through our Proxies in Ukraine. Indirect action is supporting the war effort through voting, paying taxpaying for the war, and verbal support.
I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.

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liberty wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:50 am
Big RR wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:24 am
fight against the Soviets directly
As I see it to fight their proxies was to fight them
Ah - the same problem as you have with the word "Constitution".

"Directly" is the exact opposite of "by proxy" in this context. You simply did not sign up to fight the Soviets "directly". You signed up to fight them "indirectly" - good for you.
it wasn't combat but it's a job that no one else wanted.
Are you kidding? Being a REMF was the goal of thousands. But good for you - you signed up and took the chance of high risk
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I had a couple of friends in the Air Force (one made it a career) in the 60s/70s, and I recall some sort of duty called "isolation duty", which involved working on the DEW line or manning r emote missile silos. As I understood it, no one really wanted that duty, but it was strongly advised for those who were in for the long haul (other than those who flew, but they had their own version of that); I don't recall how long the term was, but most of my friends (newly minted lieutenants (I understood noncoms got this duty as well), did it and generally did not care for it at all. I had visions of The Thing in an arctic station. Was this the type of duty you had?

By the way, I did not mean to denigrate anyone's service during the cold war--if you died or were wounded fighting the proxies of the Soviets or the Chinese, the result (and danger) was the same; but it was not direct engagement with the Soviets.

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To return to the main topic of this thread. I understand that two men took a bullet for Trump and are still in the hospital. Mr. Trump has not contacted them or their family. President Biden has.

I welcome information that shows I am wrong.

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Trump said he was saved by "the grace of almighty God".

Everyone else was there at their own risk.

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Big RR wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:31 pm
I had a couple of friends in the Air Force (one made it a career) in the 60s/70s, and I recall some sort of duty called "isolation duty", which involved working on the DEW line or manning r emote missile silos. As I understood it, no one really wanted that duty, but it was strongly advised for those who were in for the long haul (other than those who flew, but they had their own version of that); I don't recall how long the term was, but most of my friends (newly minted lieutenants (I understood noncoms got this duty as well), did it and generally did not care for it at all. I had visions of The Thing in an arctic station. Was this the type of duty you had?

By the way, I did not mean to denigrate anyone's service during the cold war--if you died or were wounded fighting the proxies of the Soviets or the Chinese, the result (and danger) was the same; but it was not direct engagement with the Soviets.
If I remember correctly after almost 50 years, it was called a remote assignment or an unaccompanied tour, some of the guys compared it to being in prison, but in my opinion, it wasn't that bad. The food was good; we had steak and lobster a lot, and we had movies and videotape TV programs. The first VCR I ever saw was there, they were huge cassettes. And yes, it was a remote site on the Bering Sea called Cape Romanzoff about, well, two or 300 miles south of Nome AK on the coast; the biggest problem was that it was an unaccompanied tour, so there were no women. I saw some of the Horney and drunkest men I ever seen in my life there. Some were so drunk they couldn't walk down the three-foot-wide hallways. People being different there was one guy a civilian employee, a carpenter I understood never left the site. He had a black female dog named Thunder she was an interesting animal; if you said Fox she would go crazy barking in circles. If you prettied her, you better keep your hand away from a rump or she's growl at you. We all thought it was quite funny; we suspected that the carpenter liked dogs in more than a platonic sense. Our commander was a lieutenant, and in my opinion, he had the toughest duty on sight; he had very little social life; he socialized almost none and only with the senior NCOs. He would spend about an hour at the NCO club and return to his room for the rest of the night. I reckon there were things that happened after hours that he didn't want to see. The senior NCOs did an outstanding job of keeping things under control; only occasionally did the commander have to get involved.
I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.

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Corey Compeeratore took a bullet for D. Trump and died because of it. President Biden personally expressed condolences to his wife, Helen.

Yesterday Trump declared that Helen was a wonderful person. Some of Trump's friends had whipped together a million dollars to give to Helen. Helen stated (according to Trump) that she would rather have her husband. Trump said that was wonderful. He knows many wives who would not say that (probably most of all his own.)

Can anybody cite information that Trump personally (not email or text message or a note on X or similar) contacted Helen Comperatore?

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He knows many wives who would not say that (probably most of all his own.
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Burning Petard wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:31 am
To return to the main topic of this thread. I understand that two men took a bullet for Trump and are still in the hospital.
I welcome information that shows I am wrong.

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Neither of them "took a bullet" for Trump. They were hit by poor sniping.
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'took a bullet' 'poor sniping' 'wrong time, wrong place' 'collateral damage' are all phrases that 'spin' the basic facts to support a particularl attitude.

I survived a poor assasination attempt on my life yesterday when I quickly swerved and hit my brakes in traffic as someone changed lanes in from to me.

Again, three individuals who were, at least superficially supporting Donald Trump, died or were injured enough to require hospital treatment in an event that caused blood to run down Trump's face but left his ear injured to the extent that there is no visible wound of that ear in clear photographs a week later. Soon after that event, President Biden contacted the families of these three individuals by personal phone call and gave them emotional support. As far as I have been able to determine, Trump has done nothing personally for these people beyond mention of them in campaigns speeches.

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Neither of them "took a bullet" for Trump. They were hit by poor sniping.
OK, each took a bullet meant for Trump. Yes, it is an assumption on my part, but I think it's likely true.

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Big RR wrote:
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Neither of them "took a bullet" for Trump. They were hit by poor sniping.
OK, each took a bullet meant for Trump. Yes, it is an assumption on my part, but I think it's likely true.
So what? They didn't do it intentionally - leaping in front to shield him with their bodies. Unlike the cops and Secret Semantic Service at the stage who did leap to shield. That's "taking a bullet" intended for someone else. :geek:
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Well I'd call it intentionally taking a bullet, but it's just semantics.

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Verb

take a bullet (third-person singular simple present takes a bullet, present participle taking a bullet, simple past took a bullet, past participle taken a bullet)

(idiomatic) To purposely receive a gunshot that was intended for another.

Words matter - this doesn't :lol:
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