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Tea and coke.

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:08 am
by Gob
Miami: US Representative Trey Radel, a Tea Party Republican from Florida, is due to be charged in a Washington, DC court on Wednesday for misdemeanor drug possession, according to court documents.

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The Tampa Bay Times reported on its website on Tuesday that the drug possession charge involved cocaine. According to the Times, "A court document said on October Mr 29 Radel 'did unlawfully, knowingly, and intentionally possess a quantity of cocaine, a controlled substance.'"

In a statement Mr Radel apologized to his family and constituents in southwest Florida, saying that he struggled "with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice."

Mr Radel, a freshman member of Congress who calls himself a "Hip Hop Conservative, Lover of #liberty" on his Twitter page, faces a possible six months in jail.

Advertisement "As the father of a young son and a husband to a loving wife, I need to get help so I can be a better man for both of them."

"In facing this charge, I realise the disappointment my family, friends and constituents must feel. Believe me, I am disappointed in myself, and I stand ready to face the consequences of my actions," he said, adding that he would be seeking treatment and counseling.

Had he been arrested in Florida, where cocaine possession is a felony, Mr Radel could be facing even more serious legal problems, including loss of his voting rights and the right to carry a firearm.



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Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:40 am
by Scooter
Is this becoming a trend now, politicians blaming their cocaine use on their alcoholism? How about trying the truth, i.e. "I was caught with cocaine because I like using cocaine"?

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:51 am
by MajGenl.Meade
If only I'd thought of that "disappointed in myself" line so many years ago. It would have saved a lot of difficulty - I used to blame society but now I realise I was disappointing myself time after time. Naughty self! Naughty!

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:31 pm
by rubato
Scooter wrote:Is this becoming a trend now, politicians blaming their cocaine use on their alcoholism? How about trying the truth, i.e. "I was caught with cocaine because I like using cocaine"?


The Tea Party is no place for happy hedonists.
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I'm betting he comes back as a 'born again' something or other. Jimmy Swaggert proved you can always get away with 1 gross misconduct if you chase it with self-flagellation.

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Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:54 pm
by Joe Guy
Scooter wrote:Is this becoming a trend now, politicians blaming their cocaine use on their alcoholism? How about trying the truth, i.e. "I was caught with cocaine because I like using cocaine"?
I don't interpret what the coke headed politician said the same way as you do.

Alcoholism goes along with making bad choices and one of them is using other drugs. If an alcoholic claims to be struggling with the 'disease' he is admitting that he has an addictive personality and is not blaming it on the alcohol.

I'd be interested in knowing oldr's opinion on this.

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:03 pm
by Scooter
If his alcoholism had led him to make the bad choice of eating dog shit, I think he would have realized quickly that it was a bad choice, and not done it again.

The fact that his alcoholism led him to make the bad choice to do cocaine does not negate the fact that he continued to do it because he liked it, for reasons that had little or nothing to do with his alcoholism.

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:15 pm
by Joe Guy
He didn't say that he didn't like cocaine. He admitted that he has made bad choices and is an alcoholic.

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:23 pm
by Scooter
Sorry, something led me to think that you might be a tad less obtuse than usual, I was wrong. Carry on.

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:32 pm
by Joe Guy
I'm being obtuse?

You might want to think about that a little more. You seem to have a need to personalize every issue and sometimes it obstructs your thought process.

You can claim to be right again if you want - if that will make you feel good.

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:34 pm
by Scooter
That terrain is all yours, I wouldn't THINK of infringing on it.

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:41 pm
by Joe Guy
Okay... That does it. I'll give you 20 paces.

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Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:17 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Many an alcoholic does cocaine and from what I have experienced doing cocaine it allows the true alcoholic to drink more and for a longer period. He may, or may not be addicted to cocaine, but most other addictions start with alcohol addiction first.

And if he has been an alcoholic for a long time, alcohol no longer gives affect it used to. This causes the alcoholic to look elsewhere for the feeling (or lack there-of) that one used to have. Cocain, crack, meth, heroine whatever.

And the true alcoholic has no judgement, only the obsession to get more booze and/or whatever else is needed to get the "buzz".

Hopefully he gets the help he needs. Go to in-patient rehab and when he gets out attend as many AA (or NA) meetings as he can.

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:11 pm
by Big RR
oldr--I have known a few drug and alcohol "addicts" that seem to run counter to your assertion. These are people who drink (or snort or inject) not for the buzz/high, but to avoid the painful effects of stopping. The ones I knew could calculate to the last ml how much they needed to take and when, and the average person would never know they had a drink (or whatever). I have called them functional addicts, and I have to imagine there are many.

In your experiences with AA do you run into many like that or have you known many? I would imagine that many of them maintain the status quo and not even try to stop, at least until serious health effects appear. One I recall was a surgeon I knew who I defended in a hospital hearing where he almost lost his privileges; after that, I never saw him drunk again, but I know he drank and probably had a pretty high blood alcohol level most of the time, even though most people thought he stopped drinking.

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:21 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
What follows is my view and thoughts on this. Some may agree and some may not. Also, you may sub in the word "addict" and "drugs" for "alcoholic" and "alcohol" as being hooked is being hooked, only the poison is different. Also, this may get long. ;)

I have learned there are two things that separate the alcoholic from the normal person. Control and choice.

First "control":
Some people say that if one can control the amount one drinks, say have 5 drinks every day and no more than 5 drinks, that they are not "true" alcoholics. For me the line gets blurred here. If someone "must" have 5 drinks every day, then, to me, they are addicted to the drug. The reason they have those drinks every day does not really matter, be it withdrawal fears, anxiety, stress, whatever. These people may be classified as "functional alcoholics" as to the outside, they appear normal and can function. I would guess your surgeon needed a few drinks to steady his hands every morning and perhaps during the day. Been there, done that.
I was a functioning alcoholic for a long time. I would go to happy hour each day after work. Drink from 5-5:30 until 7pm when the bar tenders finished their shift then go home. I did not drink when I got home and did whatever chores needed doing when I got home. Lied to the wife that I was working overtime and, being an exempt employee, the pay didn't change. So for most of the time she didn't know. I still functioned. Maybe I was an "alcoholic in training" or a “borderline alcoholic” or whatever.

But looking back I can see where I first had a few beers and it wasn't every day at the bar. Then it was every day, then a few beers and a shot then a shot with every beer, just to get to the same point (buzz?). Tolerance has gone up and so does the consumption. At some point one cannot drink enough, when the alcohol does not work anymore. One no longer gets the buzz, or the feelings one is escaping from do not go away from drinking. That is the point of no return.

What I do recall was that even when I stopped for the night, I still had the physical "want" to keep drinking. That's what we call the “physical allergy”. That once one has the first drink, stopping is not really an option for the true alcoholic.
My uncle (another alcoholic) used to say “drink til you get the glow” then back off and just maintain the glow. But that quickly goes to uncontrolled drinking. And when one tries to control the drinking they get more and more miserable.
Even early on in my drinking, for the most part, I drank to get drunk, to get the buzz and to stay buzzed. Others would drink and stop but not me.

But all of this is the “physical” part of alcoholism and alcoholism is really a “2 part” problem although some call it a 3 part disease. more on the 3rd part sometime later

The second part is “choice”.
This is where the brain comes in. The physical allergy can be alleviated by not drinking for a week or so. The body no longer craves but the brain continues to.

At some point in our drinking career, we reach the point where we no longer have a choice of whether or not we are going to drink. That the obsession to drink becomes an all-powerful overbearing gorilla that constantly nags on one’s brain. It makes us drink when we don’t want to no matter the circumstance. No job, no loved one, no DWI no loss of possessions, nothing is going to keep us from the drink. Bad days, good days, mediocre days, threats of divorce, children leaving never to talk to you again, family disowning you, it doesn’t matter as we have lost the ability to stop. And after drinking for a night, a day, a week a month, we wake up and swear we are going to stop and never drink again and by mid-day or the next day or the next week we are right back drinking again. And not just a few, as many as we can physically consume until we pass out and then start again. The choice has been taken from us. Alcohol is our higher power and we will do anything to get it. And after each bender, we swear we will stop, but it’s too late.
And I have found, no form of will power can remove the obsession to drink. For me, working the steps of AA has removed the obsession to drink.

I am guessing your surgeon has either stopped completely or has become a full blown alcoholic. Either way, I hope he is doing well.

Hope this helps you understand the minds and body of the addict.


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Forgot to answer this question directly:
In your experiences with AA do you run into many like that or have you known many? I would imagine that many of them maintain the status quo and not even try to stop, at least until serious health effects appear.
It has been my experience that most alcoholics start out this way. Many in the rooms were once this way, myself included. To continue on, the result will most likely be true, hardcore, alcoholism. But one can hope not. :|

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:49 pm
by Big RR
He's moved away, so I'm not sure; and I agree he was a full blown alcoholic years ago, although as he described it he didn't dring to get a buzz or a glow, just to keep going. I think he did have "benders" years before I knew him (although his wife, the classic enabler, would insist he "didn't drink much", but something must have scared him and he reduced to his "maintenance dose"; not good for his body I am sure, but it did make him functional.

I don't think he ever wanted to stop (at least while I knew him), his drinks were like insulin to the diabetic, or a beta blocker to a person with hypertension, something to neither enjoy nor hate; he didn't choose to drink, he just chose to drink just enough to function. He was addicted, but to the alcohol, not to the lifestyle or the buzz. I guess my comment was that it seems much more difficult to convince a person like that to stop; he's not suffering, he's not losing or in danger of losing anything, and so long as he has his daily "dose", he's fine. Yes, there are long term effects, but those are harder to see.

Thanks for your comments.

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:14 pm
by Joe Guy
Interesting comments, oldr. Thanks for your thoughts.

Back in the old daze when I did coke I drank beer along with it because I felt that it "took the edge" off the effects of coke. Then I'd need more coke because the beer made me drowsy.

Fortunately for me I got over that quickly because I couldn't handle the feeling the day after (even though it took more than one hangover).

Re: Tea and coke.

Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:07 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
it seems much more difficult to convince a person like that to stop; he's not suffering, he's not losing or in danger of losing anything, and so long as he has his daily "dose", he's fine.
That works for a while, but slowly (or sometimes quickly) the dosage needed to get to the same level. Like how medicine sometimes looses it's effectiveness and either the dosage gets raised or they switch the prescription to something else.
And very rarely can someone convince another person to stop drinking. Maybe for the short term, but for the long term, unless one is really ready to stop, no amount of nagging or threats to ones lifestyle, job or anything will convince the real alcoholic to stop.

As I said, I hope he is doing well either with his daily dose or off it completely.
Fortunately for me I got over that quickly because I couldn't handle the feeling the day after (even though it took more than one hangover).
I hardly ever suffered from hangovers. Remorse, regret, sorrow, those I sufferred after a binge, but physically ill, very rare. Woke up many a time still drunk. And then there is the real cure for hangovers, stay drunk.