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US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:22 pm
by Gob
The US unemployment rate fell to a five-year low of 7% in November, according to the US Labor Department.

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Payroll figures also showed that 203,000 jobs were created last month, more than predicted, as the US economy displayed encouraging signs of strength.

US markets cheered the news, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average spiking nearly 200 points.

The monthly non-farm payroll figure is watched closely by economists.

Analysts say these indications of strong growth could mean that the Federal Reserve will start to unwind its massive stimulus programme soon.

Outgoing chairman Ben Bernanke has previously said that when the unemployment rate dropped below 7%, the US central bank would end the $85bn-a-month bond buying programme known as quantitative easing.

"When asset purchases ultimately come to an end, the unemployment rate would likely be in the vicinity of 7 percent, with solid economic growth supporting further job gains," he said in June press conference, before later scaling back his firm target.

However, the November figure might have been distorted. Some federal workers who were counted as jobless in the October - because of the 16-day partial government shutdown - returned to their jobs last month.

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:34 pm
by rubato
The US recovery has been very slow. But not non-existent.


http://economistsview.typepad.com/econo ... -work.html
By George, Britain’s Austerity Experiment Didn’t Work!, by John Cassidy: George Osborne, the patron saint of austerity enthusiasts on both sides of the Atlantic, was in the House of Commons on Thursday, reveling in the fact that the U.K.’s economy is finally growing again, and claiming that “Britain’s economic plan is working.” Delivering his annual Autumn Statement—he was a bit late—the Chancellor of the Exchequer pointed to forecasts from the quasi-independent Office for Budget Responsibility, which point to G.D.P. growth of 1.4 per cent this year and 2.8 per cent in 2014.

For Britons who have been laboring through more than five years of recession, or near recession, that is welcome news. By some measures, the U.K. has been through a worse slump than the one it experienced during the Great Depression, and now, at last, it appears to be over. Recent figures from the Office for National Statistics show that the economy has expanded for three quarters in a row, with manufacturing, services, and construction all sharing in the growth. Small wonder that Osborne was smiling.
hoisted from the comments:
"...
But from an economic perspective, Osborne’s argument is hogwash. His effort to cure the patient by subjecting it to the equivalent of leeching—big cuts in government spending and higher taxes—a return to pre-Keynesian policies watched closely the world over, failed abysmally. Imposed at a time when the U.K.’s economy was recovering from the financial crisis of 2008-09, it subjected his countrymen and countrywomen to three more years of slump-like conditions, and it produced a dearth of public-sector and private-sector investment that will hobble Britain for years to come. It even failed to meet its own targets of drastically reducing the budget deficit and bringing down Britain’s over-all debt burden.
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The upturn in growth appears to have been primarily a result of ultra-low interest rates, engineered by the Bank of England, and of a desperate effort on the part of the government to gee up the moribund housing market. In 2012, the Treasury leaned on the Bank of England to provide low-cost financing for banks that extended mortgages. Then, in this year’s budget, the Treasury itself went into the business of providing loans to help first-time buyers of properties worth up to a million dollars. The tactics worked: home prices are rising rapidly, construction has spiked, and the rise in housing wealth has fed through to a growth in consumption. Business investment and exports remain depressed.
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yrs,
rubato

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:24 pm
by Gob
Amazing, rubato reads a good news story on the US economy, and his only response is to dig our a negative article on the UK economy. :lol: :loon


Just goes to show what;
rubato wrote: (affluent, educated and moral persons like me).
entails in his tiny mind.

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:35 am
by Lord Jim
(affluent, educated and moral persons like me)
I sincerely hope that someone who has rube on their Christmas List, (surprisingly enough, he did not make mine...) will purchase the lad a new dictionary....

The one he owns currently clearly has some serious flaws...

For example, the definition for "moral person" in his dictionary must read:

"One who is a hate filled bigot"...

And the definition for "educated" must say:

"a person who is stunningly ignorant, even about even the most basic things, on a wide range of subjects"...

And the definition for "affluent", must read:

"One who presents himself as a big money earner, but really lives off his wife"....

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:22 am
by rubato
Hmmm. My comments were technical in nature and devoid of the pathetic emotional content both of the above inject into everything. But they are too stupid to engage in the real debate going on here. Or perhaps too ignorant? Well who knows. Either way, their posts are pure shit. Per usual.


http://economistsview.typepad.com/econo ... -work.html
By George, Britain’s Austerity Experiment Didn’t Work!, by John Cassidy: George Osborne, the patron saint of austerity enthusiasts on both sides of the Atlantic, was in the House of Commons on Thursday, reveling in the fact that the U.K.’s economy is finally growing again, and claiming that “Britain’s economic plan is working.” Delivering his annual Autumn Statement—he was a bit late—the Chancellor of the Exchequer pointed to forecasts from the quasi-independent Office for Budget Responsibility, which point to G.D.P. growth of 1.4 per cent this year and 2.8 per cent in 2014.

For Britons who have been laboring through more than five years of recession, or near recession, that is welcome news. By some measures, the U.K. has been through a worse slump than the one it experienced during the Great Depression, and now, at last, it appears to be over. Recent figures from the Office for National Statistics show that the economy has expanded for three quarters in a row, with manufacturing, services, and construction all sharing in the growth. Small wonder that Osborne was smiling.

hoisted from the comments:
"...
But from an economic perspective, Osborne’s argument is hogwash. His effort to cure the patient by subjecting it to the equivalent of leeching—big cuts in government spending and higher taxes—a return to pre-Keynesian policies watched closely the world over, failed abysmally. Imposed at a time when the U.K.’s economy was recovering from the financial crisis of 2008-09, it subjected his countrymen and countrywomen to three more years of slump-like conditions, and it produced a dearth of public-sector and private-sector investment that will hobble Britain for years to come. It even failed to meet its own targets of drastically reducing the budget deficit and bringing down Britain’s over-all debt burden.
...
The upturn in growth appears to have been primarily a result of ultra-low interest rates, engineered by the Bank of England, and of a desperate effort on the part of the government to gee up the moribund housing market. In 2012, the Treasury leaned on the Bank of England to provide low-cost financing for banks that extended mortgages. Then, in this year’s budget, the Treasury itself went into the business of providing loans to help first-time buyers of properties worth up to a million dollars. The tactics worked: home prices are rising rapidly, construction has spiked, and the rise in housing wealth has fed through to a growth in consumption. Business investment and exports remain depressed.
..."
I re-posted the substance in case some rare person came along who could grasp it.

It is valuable to learn from experience. As the old proverb says:

"all men learn from experience, yes
The wise man from the experience of others
The Stupid man from his own. "

By looking at the effects of austerity (bad) we learn that the Republican prescriptions for the US are ... bad.

Nature and the universe don't care how pathetic and nasty you two little trolls are, mental and emotional dwarfs. Nature and the universe are out there to be learned from.


yrs,
rubato

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:54 am
by Scooter
Lord Jim wrote:And the definition for "affluent", must read:

"One who presents himself as a big money earner, but really lives off his wife"....
I thought that the definition of affluent is someone who has a lot of free time.

(Which I guess amounts to the same thing as what you said.)

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:14 am
by Gob
rubato wrote:Hmmm. My comments were technical in nature and devoid of the pathetic emotional content both of the above inject into everything.


Your "comments" consisted of a cut and paste of someone else's words, unrelated to the OP, off topic, and irrelevant.

But that’s par for the course for you.

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:39 pm
by rubato
The OP was a cut and paste of other people's words with no thoughts of your own.

It was about a small change in the US unemployment rate which has been coming down slowly since the beginning of the great recession due to US economic policy, small stimulus.


It can be understood by comparison to the lack of recovery in the UK which has employed different policies. Since they have done the experiments it behooves us to compare the two and learn something from it.



You don't seem to grasp that I don't give a rat's ass about your perennial need to personalize everything. I have more interesting things to think about than you.



yrs,
rubato

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:09 pm
by Lord Jim
due to US economic policy, small stimulus.
Yeah, any improvement must be due to the MOAP....

It couldn't possibly be the fact that The Fed's been buying up 85 billion dollars worth of bonds a month to keep interest rates low... :roll:

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:56 pm
by Gob
rubato wrote:The OP was a cut and paste of other people's words with no thoughts of your own.
Exactly, the OP was a neutral article, which I posted up with no words of my own, I leave it to the members here to have their say, without my slanting the course of the debate.

Unlike your good self who is fucking notorious for hunting out articles which you agree with and presenting them here as some sort of vindication of the rightness of your own "thoughts".

You fuckwitted moron. :lol: :lol: :lol:

ETA

The last five threads you have started in the "politics" forum, all the same; "look at me look at me, I've found these articles which agree with my point of view, aren't I a clever sausage mummy?"

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10403

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10408

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10408

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10395

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Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:05 pm
by Lord Jim
Additionally, it's obvious that he chose to copy and paste what he did because Strop started the thread, and he wanted to get in a dig at the UK for Strop's "benefit"...

That was rube's sole purpose for posting what he did...to take a personal, passive-aggressive slap at Strop for being a Brit...

And we can know this for a fact, because it's something like the 1,437th time he's done it...

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:13 pm
by Gob
Oh, sorry Jim!!



I thought all that went without saying.... ;)

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:57 pm
by Long Run
The real good number is the over 200,000 of new jobs created last month (assuming that is a real number, as the early economic numbers, especially on employment, are hard to get right and are often significantly adjusted later). The unemployment rate has become a less meaningful statistic than the employment rate which at 65% of working age adults is still lower than at any time since the 1970s. The UE dropping in the last year from about 8 to 7% is mostly due to people dropping out of the labor force and not being reported as looking for work. However, if new jobs can grow at 200,000+ each month, there can be significant headway in gaining back the lost jobs from 2008-09 and adding the jobs necessary to keep up with population growth.

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:52 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
The quality of jobs is another factor in all this. Someone who has been making a comfortable living who now has "accept" a job he is overqualified for and pays much less does little to help the economy (other than not collecting UI). As I've said in the past I was 48-72 hours away from an $8/hr job stocking shelves at Stop & Shop when my current employer called me. I will be here as long as they will have me.

Re: US jobless rate hits five-year low

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:48 pm
by dgs49
As time goes by the unemployment rate becomes less and less indicative of the health of the U.S. economy. It has all been said before: more people giving up looking for work, people accepting formerly-unacceptable jobs, couples resigning themselves to living on one income, millions of boomers deciding to retire early and collect SS rather than face the indignity of wiping tables at Wendy's...

And as bad as it is, it is precariously propped up by overall public sector employment (including paid consultants) that is probably 30-35% greater than necessary, the prolongation of an unnecessary and pointless war, massive, unprecedented printing of fiat money by the Fed, and inflated government handouts (UEC extensions, food stamps, etc) that mask the true plight of the masses at the bottom.

But things are looking up, for sure. How could they not with Barry at the helm?